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What will inflation be?

Arkady

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Republicans like to hype inflation for several reasons:

1) They don't want the Fed to do its job to address high unemployment by loosening money supply (which would help Obama), so they need people freaked out about inflation, even at a time when it's been at historical lows.

2). Inflation hurts old-money types (with trust funds stuck with fixed annuities), and those people fund the conservative movement. So, conservatives want super-low inflation or even deflation, even if a little more inflation would help the economy (by punishing those who leave their money dormant, rather than investing it).

3). Inflation hurts the banks (the real cost of your fixed-rate debt declines if there's inflation, which lowers the real value of the bank's note on that debt). So, again, they'd prefer deflation, even if a little more inflation would be better for the economy (by helping to decrease real consumer debt).

4). Inflation fears inspire dislike of deficits, and Republicans can use that sentiment to get people to sour on domestic spending by government.

But, are they right to think (or to at least say they think) high inflation is coming? Nobody knows for sure. But the market thinks they're dead wrong. The market thinks we'll have near-record-low inflation for decades to come.

Read these:

http://www.obliviousinvestor.com/tips-vs-nominal-treasury-bonds/

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...es/TextView.aspx?data=realyieldYear&year=2012

The first explains how the spread between yields on TIPS and nominal Treasuries is dictated by market expectations about inflation. If you expect X% average inflation over the next Y years, you will demand at least X% higher yield on a non-inflation-protected Y year Treasury than on a Y year TIPS (which gets adjusted up by the actual rate of inflation).

The second link shows the current gap in yields between the two types of otherwise-identical investments (and thus shows roughly what the typical treasury investor thinks the inflation average will be over each time period).

What this tells us is that investors think inflation will be nearly zero for decades. The free market could be wrong about that, of course. But it shows that the number of people GENUINELY concerned about inflation is very low (or they'd bid down the yield on TIPS and stop buying nominal Treasuries until their yields rose considerably).

The vast majority of those talking up the inflation threat don't really think it's a serious threat. They just want the rubes to think it is, for purely political reasons.
 
This page has an explanation and graph all in one place:

http://ounceofsilver.info/home/tips-spread/

It's a little dated, but back then, the spread was between about 1.5% yield on the non-inflation-adjusted 10-year and -0.5% on the 10 year TIPS, indicating a consensus market estimate of about 2% inflation average over the next ten years. That's far below the historical average (which is more than 3%).
 
People on PJ can look at this thoughtful thread and then look at Barbella's on the same subject. It is clear which thread is worth reading.
 
People can look at how tremendously more they are paying for everything today in comparison to how much they were paying for the same items in 2008 and recognize that they are not smelling shineola as Arkady tries to cover for Obama's mishandling of the economy since taking office.

It does bring to mind an issue however that another poster touched on today; either all our liberal posters are earning such a tremendous amount of money that they can laugh off the doubling of prices since 2008 or they are all on the government dole and so don't have to struggle to make it in the world.
 
People can look at how tremendously more they are paying for everything today in comparison to how much they were paying for the same items in 2008 and recognize that they are not smelling shineola as Arkady tries to cover for Obama's mishandling of the economy since taking office.

It does bring to mind an issue however that another poster touched on today; either all our liberal posters are earning such a tremendous amount of money that they can laugh off the doubling of prices since 2008 or they are all on the government dole and so don't have to struggle to make it in the world.

That would be 25% inflation. I don't think any of us liberals live in a place like that.
 
Barb told you,Arkady! Aren't you going to take her at her word?

I am really anxious to know what she predicts on the election. If Mitt is going to win I will just sit this one out. No sense in my wasting a vote on Obama.

I do know some meats and groceries will be higher due to the drought and floods that killed animals,but just like gas it is a temporary thing.

Oil production is already back on line.With the finding of so much natural gas in this Country gas is at the bottom.I have never had such cheap rates.And I was surprised at my last electric bill because the AC ran non stop.But a new AC dropped that too.
 
People can look at how tremendously more they are paying for everything today in comparison to how much they were paying for the same items in 2008 and recognize that they are not smelling shineola as Arkady tries to cover for Obama's mishandling of the economy since taking office.

It does bring to mind an issue however that another poster touched on today; either all our liberal posters are earning such a tremendous amount of money that they can laugh off the doubling of prices since 2008 or they are all on the government dole and so don't have to struggle to make it in the world.

Cicero,Arkady always presents facts. Show me yours. Insults that add nothing do not cut it. Show me your facts.

Of course I know you say you do not give facts. I can understand why. Fear does not cut it. Facts by experts do!
 
That would be 25% inflation. I don't think any of us liberals live in a place like that.

I can assure you this person does not shop like that. Clothes and everything else is cheaper. The reason being folks quite spending in 2008 and if it is not on sale they do not buy.

Note,the Dollar stores are killing Walmart. We have 4 in a 2 mile radious.
 
People can look at how tremendously more they are paying for everything today in comparison to how much they were paying for the same items in 2008 and recognize that they are not smelling shineola as Arkady tries to cover for Obama's mishandling of the economy since taking office.

It does bring to mind an issue however that another poster touched on today; either all our liberal posters are earning such a tremendous amount of money that they can laugh off the doubling of prices since 2008 or they are all on the government dole and so don't have to struggle to make it in the world.

Where do you live, Cicero. The government tracks as publishes detailed pricing data by region. We can check your theory that you're paying tremendously more today.
 
This same inflation argument was trotted out in opposition to the passage of the stimulus package that prevented the second Great Depression back in 2009.

Regardless of who wins the upcoming presidential election, there is little doubt that the President will recommend another round of economic stimulus in 2013. There are factions in the Republican Party who are gearing up to oppose any such legislation -- even if it is proposed by a President Mitt Romney.
 
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