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What's Google Up To?

Arkady

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Google is constructing a pair of large, building-like ships, one in the San Francisco Bay, one off of Portland, Maine:

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/what_is_google_building_in_san_francisco_bay/

They're being very secretive about what the vessels are for. Some of the rumors are that they're show-rooms to sell rich people Google Glass, but that just seems crazy, to me. As show-rooms, they'd be expensive, inconvenient, and ugly (they're windowless boxes constructed out of shipping containers). Instead, the other rumor seems more plausibe: that they're data centers -- places to set up huge server farms to handle Google traffic. The question, then, is why they'd be set up off shore. Data centers don't need to be located particularly close to population centers, so you wouldn't build an off-shore data center merely to let you get close to a big city without paying big city prices. The NSA, for example, set up its spy data centers in the middle of nowhere, in Utah. And there's no particular advantage to a floating data center, and some significant disadvantages (commuting problems for those who work there, issues around dealing with storms and other naval risks, etc.) So, what gives?

If I put myself in Google's shoes, I can think of at least two ways to use such facilities. One would be as cheap housing for foreign software engineers -- you could set them up in international waters, just outside the US waters, so they don't technically have residence, and you don't need to get residency visas, work visas, etc. They could live there and do most of their work there, but still be able to come into on-shore facilities on a fairly regular basis, on business trips that would have fewer tax implications and red tape than trying to arrange something more permanent.

The other way I might use those vessels is to have data centers that are not subject to any national law. Move them out into international waters, with microwave communications to an on-shore relay. Territorial waters stop just 12 miles from shore, and for some purposes (like gambling) a mere three miles has been ruled to be enough to get outside of on-shore rules. Especially in this era of the NSA strong-arming businesses into sharing personal information of their customers without any warrant or other recognition of Constitutional protections, having a data center that is in international waters, and thus not subject to the abuses of the US police state, might be a real selling point for a IT services provider with customers who are protective of their privacy.

What are your thoughts?
 
old story.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/11...barges-are-giant-floating-google-x-showrooms/
According to a report from CBS News’ San Francisco affiliate KPIX
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, the barges are floating luxury showrooms for Google X, Google’s top-secret lab that works on various unconventional projects such as Google Glass.
 
The naivete of the left never ceases to amaze me. They worship at the altar of "cool" companies like Google and Apple, and are totally, cluelessly unaware these corporations are deep in bed with the US government, enabling all manner of spying, infringement of privacy and data collection for the feds.

Google and Apple are essentially the IT arm of the Obama regime, able to provide them access to anything, anytime, anywhere, all with the blissfully unaware approval of the dolts who click the "I accept" checkbox on every website without ever reading what it says...

I enjoy watching your skull-punched, starry-eyed, childlike wonderment as you stand in line for three days for the "privilege" of buying the latest shiny object that is designed to steal your information, track your whereabouts and activities and collect your personal data...
 
"data centers that are not subject to any national law"

bingo - although i'm not getting my hopes up that this will make it harder for the NSA to snoop. I think they're simply trying to evade taxes, inspections, and data privacy laws which apply in the United states. possibly immunize themselves against lawsuits in US courts that they failed to provide adequate privacy for users' information. ("Sorry - you can't sue us in New York or California. Try the district court of Atlantis . .ha ha")
 
...wow imaginations run wild - whatever it is, I am sure of two things
  1. it is legal, and
  2. it is aimed at making money for Google
...the rest is all conspiracy-theory nonsense
 

Do you buy that explanation? It could be, but it strikes me as very odd. And multiple anonymous sources don't mean much -- by nature, they speak without any accountability whatsoever, so they could easily just be Google employees who have been intructed to leak false information to the press. There's a lot of history of companies doing that kind of thing to preserve competitive advantages. For example, when Disney started buying up swampland in central Florida, they did it through lots of seemingly separate entities, under all sorts of false pretenses, because if the land owners understood they were about to be sitting at the epicenter of a massive resort, they'd have held out for much higher payments for their seemingly-almost-worthless land.
 
Really? Do you know how difficult is is to run reliable power and high-speed data connectivity on floating vessels? Have you ever used the internet on a cruise ship?

I realize that this is not necessary in order to maintain data backups offshore that could be utilized in the event of damage to on-shore data centers.
 
I realize that this is not necessary in order to maintain data backups offshore that could be utilized in the event of damage to on-shore data centers.

You don't think reliable power and data connectivity is required to maintain a disaster recovery facility? Wow. Really glad you're not in charge of my network...LOL!
 
Hard to believe that these are anything other than off-shore backup data centers.

Why put them off-shore, though? A backup data center should ideally be somewhere extremely safe, not somewhere subject to storms and collissions and leaks, etc., not even to mention the difficult logistics of supplying it with power, communications, staffing, repair parts, and so on.
 
Why put them off-shore, though? A backup data center should ideally be somewhere extremely safe, not somewhere subject to storms and collissions and leaks, etc., not even to mention the difficult logistics of supplying it with power, communications, staffing, repair parts, and so on.

NS says that isn't a problem. You should believe him...
 
Really? Do you know how difficult is is to run reliable power and high-speed data connectivity on floating vessels? Have you ever used the internet on a cruise ship?

In theory, the challenge could be a lot less than for a cruise ship, since it wouldn't be traveling. Have a microwave tower on shore and one on the ship, a few miles away, and you have high-speed data covered. A cruise ship can't do that because microwave transmission, as a practical matter, needs a fixed transmission target, so you'd need to be at anchor, with a dedicated land-based receiver for point-to-point communications.

As for power, if the only energy needs were running electronics (as opposed to propelling a giant ship through the water at decent speeds), an occasional supply of diesel fuel for a generator would cover the power needs. In fact, sometimes companies set up power generation on barges, for land sites: http://quantumgroupus.com/Industries/Power/Power.htm

So I don't think those objections kill the idea that it's off-shore backup. But it's still odd that people would want their precious data backed up in a relatively insecure location. You'll never be able to secure an off-shore barge the way you can secure an on-shore location. Even putting aside the increased risk of accidents and the increased difficulty of dealing with threats like fire, you'd also be more exposed to terrorists or others who might want to do the vessel harm (or to steal the data in person). So, if they're putting it off shore, there must be some reason an off-shore location is seen as superior to land-based alternatives.
 
Why put them off-shore, though? A backup data center should ideally be somewhere extremely safe, not somewhere subject to storms and collissions and leaks, etc., not even to mention the difficult logistics of supplying it with power, communications, staffing, repair parts, and so on.
So which is it? You believe one of the two things in the OP, or you don't because it doesn't make sense safety-wise?
 
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