When does "human" life begin?

[RedCloud]

I tend to support the Inception theorem if I understand this correctly. My daughter explained to me that the morning after pill can be taken within 48 hours of the dirty deed and will prevent the sperm from reaching the egg and causing fertilization/Inception. It takes 72 hours for the squirmies to reach ground zero.

If this process is interrupted before the egg is fertilized and turns into a zygote then I am okay with it. This takes away the moral imperitive to protect the life of the child once it actually begins.

"It takes 72 hours for the squirmies to reach ground zero." Jack, you must be basing this on your own anatomy. The nearer sperm is ejaculated to the egg, the less time it takes to get there. I think mine took 31/2 seconds.

Just because your ancestors f**ked buffaloes doesn't mean that Indians have big peckers.

Jack, the way that buffalo f**kers got started was when one of our Chiefs visited Texas. He was asked if he wanted one of the local women. He looked them over and said, "I'd rather f**k a buffalo."

 

[4/15]

It depends on your political views. For conservatives they are, if male, guilty of murder every time they masturbate. If you are liberal when the fetus can live outside the womb, generally at the time of labor.

 

[Jen]

I never want to see back alley abortions again. That's why I concede early term abortions. The stark reality of making it completely illegal.

People who want to outlaw or obstruct obtaining contraception for any women who have reached child bearing age are a third world whose self righteousness has eclipsed their common sense. That would serve the purpose of neither side in the larger debate.

I don't want to see those back alley abortions either although there seem to be doctors still out there that do that sort of thing even though abortion is legal (Kermit Gosnell). For that reason I am on board with legal abortions up to a point and we still need to stay on top of things to get rid of the butchers.

 

[afella]

Those who appose abortion say at the moment of conception, but conception often happens too late for the egg to stick to the uterine wall and the egg just passes out of the woman. Some who appose abortion feel that all eggs and sperm are "possible" humans and thus appose all contraception methods and masturbation. Some who are for "choice" feel that a woman at any time during the pregnancy have the right to end it. Some who are for choice feel that once the baby is viable outside the mother a abortion is killing a child. I have read, but don't know if it is correct, that the Bible and those who follow the Jewish religion don't consider you a human until you take a breath outside the mother. Some people feel that this is a moral decision and that only the mother can make a choice about when an abortion can take place. Abortion is a constitutional right according to SCOTUS. I guess I have not real answer to when a fetus becomes a human, do you?

Life begins at conception, as has been pointed out, biology supports the claim. I support full term abortions, once the baby is born it is officially a "human" before that I see it as nothing more than an organism dependent completely on the function of one human, and that humans intake of materials to sustain life. That would also help to curb our worlds over reaching population numbers.

 

[Jen]

Life begins at conception, as has been pointed out, biology supports the claim. I support full term abortions, once the baby is born it is officially a "human" before that I see it as nothing more than an organism dependent completely on the function of one human, and that humans intake of materials to sustain life. That would also help to curb our worlds over reaching population numbers.

So let me ask you a question, afella. If an abortion is performed on a fetus at 8 months gestation and the abortion fails, the fetus is born, takes a breath, becomes a breathing, crying human...................... should it be killed?

 

[afella]

So let me ask you a question, afella. If an abortion is performed on a fetus at 8 months gestation and the abortion fails, the fetus is born, takes a breath, becomes a breathing, crying human...................... should it be killed?

No. It no longer needs the support of the life form which created it. Once outside of the female, it is no longer completely dependent on the functions of another organism. I would be open to "chance abortions" also, meaning you remove the fetus from the female of the species and if it lives it lives, if it dies it dies. If an abortion fails, then that independent, meaning it can survive on its own or with the support of another person aside from the tethered affect from the female, should be put up for adoption.

Up until that point it is still completely dependent on the original person that created it, meaning it is up to that person who the child was tethered to, whether or not it should make it into the world. Situations dictate that course, as does our ability to think as a person.

 

[Jen]

No. It no longer needs the support of the life form which created it. Once outside of the female, it is no longer completely dependent on the functions of another organism. I would be open to "chance abortions" also, meaning you remove the fetus from the female of the species and if it lives it lives, if it dies it dies. If an abortion fails, then that independent, meaning it can survive on its own or with the support of another person aside from the tethered affect from the female, should be put up for adoption.

Up until that point it is still completely dependent on the original person that created it, meaning it is up to that person who the child was tethered to, whether or not it should make it into the world. Situations dictate that course, as does our ability to think as a person.

The question is whether you take that baby that survived an abortion and clean it, feed it, keep it warm as you would a baby that was born and wanted..................or do you just lay it on a shelf in a closet and if it lives it lives, if it dies it dies. At exactly what point does that crying baby get any rights as a human being?

 

[afella]

The question is whether you take that baby that survived an abortion and clean it, feed it, keep it warm as you would a baby that was born and wanted..................or do you just lay it on a shelf in a closet and if it lives it lives, if it dies it dies. At exactly what point does that crying baby get any rights as a human being?

You wouldn't lay it in a closet, it would be "inhumane", if born it should be cared for as any baby. If it dies, well it dies. Meaning there should be no legal consequences for the actions taken. The rights as a human are aquired when the human is seperate from their host organism, if you will, and able to breath and function on their own.


Is it possible that a human life could function in such a manner if seperated from the female at an early stage? Absolutely. So then should people who wish to not carry their child anymore be forced to give premature birth, to see if the child will make it? That I would object to. It's the couples, or individual females, choice as to what happens with their creation.

 

[JackDallas]

"It takes 72 hours for the squirmies to reach ground zero." Jack, you must be basing this on your own anatomy. The nearer sperm is ejaculated to the egg, the less time it takes to get there. I think mine took 31/2 seconds.


Jack, the way that buffalo f**kers got started was when one of our Chiefs visited Texas. He was asked if he wanted one of the local women. He looked them over and said, "I'd rather f**k a buffalo."

First time I heard that joke I pissed in my diaper and kicked a slat out of my cradle.

 

[zzigzzag]

First time I heard that joke I pissed in my diaper and kicked a slat out of my cradle.

First time I heard that joke I pissed in my diaper and kicked a slat out of my cradle.

I hope they've changed your diaper for you by now.

 

[Gramps]

Those who appose abortion say at the moment of conception, but conception often happens too late for the egg to stick to the uterine wall and the egg just passes out of the woman. Some who appose abortion feel that all eggs and sperm are "possible" humans and thus appose all contraception methods and masturbation. Some who are for "choice" feel that a woman at any time during the pregnancy have the right to end it. Some who are for choice feel that once the baby is viable outside the mother a abortion is killing a child. I have read, but don't know if it is correct, that the Bible and those who follow the Jewish religion don't consider you a human until you take a breath outside the mother. Some people feel that this is a moral decision and that only the mother can make a choice about when an abortion can take place. Abortion is a constitutional right according to SCOTUS. I guess I have not real answer to when a fetus becomes a human, do you?

I don't know. I don't really believe anyone knows. In my opinion it isn't a sustainable lifeform until is could exist outside of the womb on its own strengths.

If some people's farfetched ideas were logical then anyone who masturbates is guilty of murder, For religious folks there is a scripture that makes reference to anyone who cast their sperm onto the ground as it being a sin.

To me it is one of those issues that can never be settled to satisfy everyone but I tend to side with the fairer sex in thinking they should call the shots regarding what revolves around their bodies.

gramps

 

[RedCloud]

First time I heard that joke I pissed in my diaper and kicked a slat out of my cradle.

Jack, I was aware of the adult diapers, Depends, but was surprised that you still slept in a cradle.