When is enough enough???

[Wahbooz]

Man stopped for 'walking with his hands in his pockets' on a cold day while black. How many white people call 911, because they see a white man walking with his hands in their pockets, and how many are questioned by the police? "Round up the usual suspects".

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...or-walking-with-hands-in-his-pockets/29999408

 

[Jen]

There is a problem.
But if anyone believes the problem is just White Americans treating Black Americans badly, then they are severely naive.
Let me direct you to a post I wrote earlier this evening. I will link directly to the post in case my links don't work within the post I am copying.
Here it is:

"The homicide rate for black male victims was 31.67 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall homicide rate for male victims was 7.13 per 100,000. For white male victims, the homicide rate was 3.85 per 100,000."
[source = Huffington Post]

Most black male victims were killed by other black males. It is rare that a white person kills a black person and when it happens it is all over the news. If you feel white people are out there rampantly killing black people, do your own research.

There are far too many murders in this country; I think we'll all agree. And far too many black men being killed. When you understand that the black population is roughly 12.3 of the population and the white population is roughly 75%, that makes black deaths way too high.

Racism needs to be stopped. BUT it is impossible to deny that someone.........someone with clout........needs to start speaking out about black on black murder.

 

[Wahbooz]

There is a problem.
But if anyone believes the problem is just White Americans treating Black Americans badly, then they are severely naive.
Let me direct you to a post I wrote earlier this evening. I will link directly to the post in case my links don't work within the post I am copying.
Here it is:

"The homicide rate for black male victims was 31.67 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall homicide rate for male victims was 7.13 per 100,000. For white male victims, the homicide rate was 3.85 per 100,000."
[source = Huffington Post]

Most black male victims were killed by other black males. It is rare that a white person kills a black person and when it happens it is all over the news. If you feel white people are out there rampantly killing black people, do your own research.

There are far too many murders in this country; I think we'll all agree. And far too many black men being killed. When you understand that the black population is roughly 12.3 of the population and the white population is roughly 75%, that makes black deaths way too high.

Racism needs to be stopped. BUT it is impossible to deny that someone.........someone with clout........needs to start speaking out about black on black murder.

From the same article.

As Carl Williams of the Saginaw NAACP in Michigan told a local TV station after his state was found to have the third highest black homicide victimization rate in the nation: "I truly believe if this situation existed in a lot of communities outside of the African American community, it would be declared a national emergency."

The homicide crisis in the black community is overwhelmingly a gun violence problem. Nationwide, when the weapon used could be identified, 82 percent of black homicide victims were shot and killed with guns. Among the victims killed with guns, 77 percent were killed with handguns.

Of course, these are not simply numbers. These are real lives being destroyed, families devastated, entire communities torn apart.

On the same morning we released our report, Ben Gray, an Omaha city councilman, attended the funeral for his grand-niece who was killed by a stray bullet while eating breakfast in her home. The child was five years old.

Gray told the Omaha World-Herald that he is "less interested in the statistics than in what the city, collectively, is going to do about it."

And I should point out, how many incarcerated black men on death row, have been released when DNA evidence proved they were not the perpetrators of the crime they were convicted of. It always has been very easy to convict someone of color in this society of a crime, so how many who were convicted, and perhaps executed, that were actually innocent?

 

[Wahbooz]

And I am well aware there is more than enough black on black crime, innocent people shot by gang violence. But those hand guns come from where? Straw purchasers who go to states with no restrictions on the number of purchases made in a month, and then sold on city streets. Crime is up not only because of the economy, but because the cost of one of those guns as well. A $450 handgun can fetch over $1000 on a city street. So what do you wind up with? A non ending spiral of fuel for more and more violence.

But that doesn't change the fact, Jen, that too many whites have an instant 'epiphany' when they see brown skin.

 

[Wahbooz]

A lot of the problems in this society are perceptional. Here's an example. What's in a name?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/how-does-your-name-affect-potential-success-in-life/29640276

 

[gigi]

But that doesn't change the fact, Jen, that too many whites have an instant 'epiphany' when they see brown skin.

Uh-huh. You put up a post about the police being called to see about a guy walking down the street with his hands in his pockets, and the response is a piece on black murderers.
Very telling.

It's a sad illustration that this story is becoming national news. A local shop owner called police because the guy was walking back and forth looking in the shop window and the shop had been robbed four times. You can understand how the trauma of having been robbed four times might lead him to think anyone walking back and forth looking in his windows was casing the place. It's this little local incident yet cable "news" and internet "news" will spin and spin this into a referendum and beat it to death.

 

[Wahbooz]

Uh-huh. You put up a post about the police being called to see about a guy walking down the street with his hands in his pockets, and the response is a piece on black murderers.
Very telling.

It's a sad illustration that this story is becoming national news. A local shop owner called police because the guy was walking back and forth looking in the shop window and the shop had been robbed four times. You can understand how the trauma of having been robbed four times might lead him to think anyone walking back and forth looking in his windows was casing the place. It's this little local incident yet cable "news" and internet "news" will spin and spin this into a referendum and beat it to death.

Gigi, where in the story did you hear this specific man, on the 911 call was robbed 4 times. You made a specific statement, and that does not concur with what the sheriffs deputy said. And I did not hear the deputy question him about walking back and forth, I heard him say he was walking with his hands in his pockets.

Businesses all over are being robbed. Businesses in White Lake are being robbed by whites, I don't see white guys walking with their hands in their pockets being stopped.

And this is not just a 'little local incident', this is a national problem.

 

[gigi]

Gigi, where in the story did you hear this specific man, on the 911 call was robbed 4 times. You made a specific statement, and that does not concur with what the sheriffs deputy said. And I did not hear the deputy question him about walking back and forth, I heard him say he was walking with his hands in his pockets.

Businesses all over are being robbed. Businesses in White Lake are being robbed by whites, I don't see white guys walking with their hands in their pockets being stopped.

And this is not just a 'little local incident', this is a national problem.

I'm sorry. It was seven robberies, not four.
"The 911 call received by the Oakland County Dispatch Center originated from a nearby business that had been a victim , as well as its employees, of seven robberies."

And as for the walking back and forth....
"The owner of a Pontiac business that's been robbed multiple times called 911, Sheriff Michael Bouchard said. The business reported that a man had walked back and forth in front of the business with his hands in his pockets, peering in the windows."

In the video, which is McKean's perspective instead of the cop's, the cop explains the report of him walking back and forth "three or four times".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2014/12/03/police-man-hands-in-pockets-michigan/19799199/

Obviously the store owner was traumatized and now suspects everyone. This is about a store owner in that state of mind, calling police because he kept seeing the same person looking in the windows. We don't know what he saw going on outside his window before the last robberies took place. We don't know that McKean being black was what prompted him to call. Or was it just that McKean was hanging around in front of the store looking in?
But the internet is making this into a story about how this guy was just stopped for walking down the street.....because it sells. That is what's becoming a national problem.

Cops have to respond to calls. It's more respectful to get out and talk to a person than just 'watch' him. But the cops are being villified for responding to the call and assessing the situation. And not for nothing, but many years ago a boyfriend of mine (white) was sitting in his car waiting for me to come out of work when two cops banged on his window and gave him the third degree about why he was there and then one came in to my job and had me verify his story. One of the homeowners across the street from my job thought it seemed odd that someone would park and not get out of their car for five minutes.

 

[fairsheet]

A common AND quite righteous plea from many poorer communities of color, is that law enforcement avoids them and doesn't give them the protection they deserve. The absolutely inevitable and unavoidable consequence of their addressing this issue, is that that police WILL end up having contact with otherwise "innocent" appearing young black people.

Young men commit the vast majority of the kind of crime that troubles these communities. As there are more young men of color in these communities, it makes sense that more of this police contact will involve young men of color. Everyone has their crosses to bear. In these communities, that may be a little more contact with the police in order to help out the other members of the community. If that means you might get caught with a piece or a little baggy of pot, maybe you just need to leave that piece or baggy at home.

What people DON'T seem to realize when they get to harping on how mean the police are, is that the practical solution is NOT for the police to all of a sudden become "nicer". The practical solution is simply for them to avoid these communities. Who wants a job in which every hour of every day, you're at rick of serious criminal charges or being forced to abandon your career completely, just because you did what you thought needed doing?

 

[fairsheet]

I'm sorry. It was seven robberies, not four.
"The 911 call received by the Oakland County Dispatch Center originated from a nearby business that had been a victim , as well as its employees, of seven robberies."

And as for the walking back and forth....
"The owner of a Pontiac business that's been robbed multiple times called 911, Sheriff Michael Bouchard said. The business reported that a man had walked back and forth in front of the business with his hands in his pockets, peering in the windows."

In the video, which is McKean's perspective instead of the cop's, the cop explains the report of him walking back and forth "three or four times".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2014/12/03/police-man-hands-in-pockets-michigan/19799199/

Obviously the store owner was traumatized and now suspects everyone. This is about a store owner in that state of mind, calling police because he kept seeing the same person looking in the windows. We don't know what he saw going on outside his window before the last robberies took place. We don't know that McKean being black was what prompted him to call. Or was it just that McKean was hanging around in front of the store looking in?
But the internet is making this into a story about how this guy was just stopped for walking down the street.....because it sells. That is what's becoming a national problem.

Cops have to respond to calls. It's more respectful to get out and talk to a person than just 'watch' him. But the cops are being villified for responding to the call and assessing the situation. And not for nothing, but many years ago a boyfriend of mine (white) was sitting in his car waiting for me to come out of work when two cops banged on his window and gave him the third degree about why he was there and then one came in to my job and had me verify his story. One of the homeowners across the street from my job thought it seemed odd that someone would park and not get out of their car for five minutes.

I hate to admit this. I really DO! but when I see young people of color walking by in front of my house, I take notice. There are too reasons for this. For of all, my house isn't "on the way" to anywhere, other than more residential homes. The only people that usually wander by are somewhat older people just out for a walk, maybe with their dog. Therefore, the young person of color makes me wonder why they're there. It's really unfortunate that their color makes them stand out. Alas, the only one to "blame" for that, is God.

Funny thing is, the only guy we ever caught coming into our yard, was a white guy! He was looking for car batteries. Evidently, they're part of the meth-cooker's recipe.

 

[gigi]

I hate to admit this. I really DO! but when I see young people of color walking by in front of my house, I take notice. There are too reasons for this. For of all, my house isn't "on the way" to anywhere, other than more residential homes. The only people that usually wander by are somewhat older people just out for a walk, maybe with their dog. Therefore, the young person of color makes me wonder why they're there. It's really unfortunate that their color makes them stand out. Alas, the only one to "blame" for that, is God.

Funny thing is, the only guy we ever caught coming into our yard, was a white guy! He was looking for car batteries. Evidently, they're part of the meth-cooker's recipe.

No. God is not to blame.

 

[Wahbooz]

I'm sorry. It was seven robberies, not four.
"The 911 call received by the Oakland County Dispatch Center originated from a nearby business that had been a victim , as well as its employees, of seven robberies."

And as for the walking back and forth....
"The owner of a Pontiac business that's been robbed multiple times called 911, Sheriff Michael Bouchard said. The business reported that a man had walked back and forth in front of the business with his hands in his pockets, peering in the windows."

In the video, which is McKean's perspective instead of the cop's, the cop explains the report of him walking back and forth "three or four times".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2014/12/03/police-man-hands-in-pockets-michigan/19799199/

Obviously the store owner was traumatized and now suspects everyone. This is about a store owner in that state of mind, calling police because he kept seeing the same person looking in the windows. We don't know what he saw going on outside his window before the last robberies took place. We don't know that McKean being black was what prompted him to call. Or was it just that McKean was hanging around in front of the store looking in?
But the internet is making this into a story about how this guy was just stopped for walking down the street.....because it sells. That is what's becoming a national problem.

Cops have to respond to calls. It's more respectful to get out and talk to a person than just 'watch' him. But the cops are being villified for responding to the call and assessing the situation. And not for nothing, but many years ago a boyfriend of mine (white) was sitting in his car waiting for me to come out of work when two cops banged on his window and gave him the third degree about why he was there and then one came in to my job and had me verify his story. One of the homeowners across the street from my job thought it seemed odd that someone would park and not get out of their car for five minutes.

USA TODAY. Did you listen to the news report I linked to? There was nothing in the on scene report that the caller had been robbed. Nor did the deputy say the man had been robbed. Nor was there any comment from the deputy that the man in question was pacing back and forth looking in the windows. That was strictly the caller.

And by the way, that is exactly what the local story was. He was stopped because he made people nervous walking down the street with his hands in his pockets. I could care less how some non local source spins the story.

 

[Raptor]

No. God is not to blame.

"God" is a man created fantasy. It does not exist.

However, if "it" existed then "it" would be to blame because according to the believers in this fantasy......if "it" existed as an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent entity, "it" would've created the incident and known the end result before the homicidal incident even happened.

NO. The irrefutable fact that stands out for the Black Homicides is that the Black Homicides are OVERWHELMINGLY SELF-INFLICTED.

Stats:

"The homicide rate for black male victims was 31.67 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall homicide rate for male victims was 7.13 per 100,000. For white male victims, the homicide rate was 3.85 per 100,000."
[source = Huffington Post]" by Jen.

 

[Wahbooz]

"God" is a man created fantasy. It does not exist.

However, if "it" existed then "it" would be to blame because according to the believers in this fantasy......if "it" existed as an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent entity, "it" would've created the incident and known the end result before the homicidal incident even happened.

NO. The irrefutable fact that stands out for the Black Homicides is that the Black Homicides are OVERWHELMINGLY SELF-INFLICTED.

Stats:

"The homicide rate for black male victims was 31.67 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall homicide rate for male victims was 7.13 per 100,000. For white male victims, the homicide rate was 3.85 per 100,000."
[source = Huffington Post]" by Jen.

Actually the c/p says the homicide rate for black male victims was....... it did not say black on black. It only states that homicides of black male victims is 31.67 per 100,000. The death of the black man in New York, who died from a choke hold, was listed as a homicide, ergo that is one homicide of a black male. The cop was white, not black on black.

 

[gigi]

USA TODAY. Did you listen to the news report I linked to? There was nothing in the on scene report that the caller had been robbed. Nor did the deputy say the man had been robbed. Nor was there any comment from the deputy that the man in question was pacing back and forth looking in the windows. That was strictly the caller.

And by the way, that is exactly what the local story was. He was stopped because he made people nervous walking down the street with his hands in his pockets. I could care less how some non local source spins the story.

These points may not have been in the link you provided but there it is in the videos from USAToday...the cop clearly tells the man about what the shop owner said about the pacing and about having been robbed. And USAToday is either lying or telling the truth when they claim that the store was robbed seven times. You can knock the source all you want. But you can't deny that the cop is respectfully explaining why he's talking to McKean and saying "I'm not saying you did that". Cops have to answer calls, Wahbooz.

McKean didn't make "people" nervous. He made someone inside a shop that was robbed several times nervous. Was the shop owner telling the truth about the pacing back and forth? Who knows? Certainly not the 911 dispatch operator or the cop who picked up the call.

 

[Wahbooz]

These points may not have been in the link you provided but there it is in the videos from USAToday...the cop clearly tells the man about what the shop owner said about the pacing and about having been robbed. And USAToday is either lying or telling the truth when they claim that the store was robbed seven times. You can knock the source all you want. But you can't deny that the cop is respectfully explaining why he's talking to McKean and saying "I'm not saying you did that". Cops have to answer calls, Wahbooz.

McKean didn't make "people" nervous. He made someone inside a shop that was robbed several times nervous. Was the shop owner telling the truth about the pacing back and forth? Who knows? Certainly not the 911 dispatch operator or the cop who picked up the call.

I don't care what USA Today said. And the cop may have been respectful because that is his nature, or because he was being filmed. The fact remains this society has a problem with a non white face. Accept that or not is up to you.

 

[fairsheet]

No. God is not to blame.

You may've misunderstood me. God's the one that made us in different colors.

 

[fairsheet]

Actually the c/p says the homicide rate for black male victims was....... it did not say black on black. It only states that homicides of black male victims is 31.67 per 100,000. The death of the black man in New York, who died from a choke hold, was listed as a homicide, ergo that is one homicide of a black male. The cop was white, not black on black.

The "black on black" crime rate is actually very similar to the "white on white" crime rate. I heard a wise person say that black on black crime is just......crime.

 

[oicu812]

The "black on black" crime rate is actually very similar to the "white on white" crime rate. I heard a wise person say that black on black crime is just......crime.

not by percentages...

 

[fairsheet]

not by percentages...

I employed "very similar" for a reason. I don't find parsing one exact number with another exact number, to be very useful in the context of my post. In order for them to be dispositive the difference would need to be considerably greater than even your cut 'n' paste allows.