When we made things.

[God of War]

I remember going to clothing stores, hardware stores, and the like and seeing the "Made in America" branding. I was proud. The quality was good. Sometimes the Union tax made things too expensive but that was addressable.

Americans today don't have real substantial jobs. They are not manufacturing jobs. They are mutual butt wiping jobs. Services jobs.

We gave up too much for the world and the world hasn't paid us back and never ever will. We need to make policies to secure our future against all the coming head winds. Could be too late but it wouldn't hurt to try.

God Bless America.

 

[God of War]

Nobody else remember a time when you could walk into a store and pert near every item was "Made in the USA"? They were far better times if you ask me.

The dignity in manufacturing far outstrips most services jobs. To make something durable that lasts. That is tangible. A wheel barrow and a drill that could be found on the set of the Three Stooges still in service til but lately and but for disregard.

Chinese make shit products for the most part. You can double or triple the price of an item you have to buy over and over again. I'm sure the Chinese could become better but it will be at our expense.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Look at this guy, letting his feeling guide the way.

 

[PhilFish]

Look at this guy, letting his feeling guide the way.

We should be dependent on shit products forever. Yay.

 

[ObamacareForever]

We should be dependent on shit products forever. Yay.

Nobody buys shit products. That is not how Capitalism works.
People buy the products that suit their needs for the lowest price.

 

[Colorforms]

I remember going to clothing stores, hardware stores, and the like and seeing the "Made in America" branding. I was proud. The quality was good. Sometimes the Union tax made things too expensive but that was addressable.

Americans today don't have real substantial jobs. They are not manufacturing jobs. They are mutual butt wiping jobs. Services jobs.

We gave up too much for the world and the world hasn't paid us back and never ever will. We need to make policies to secure our future against all the coming head winds. Could be too late but it wouldn't hurt to try.

God Bless America.

I think the recent past has shown that we can't rely on other countries for the things we need here. We are hamstringing ourselves both in manufacturing and in energy production.

 

[4/15]

I remeber very well the big tado about buy American be American. Most of everything I bought was made in Germany, my fatherland. So much of the tool steel made here was low grade and so were the tools made from it.

 

[Spamature]

I remember going to clothing stores, hardware stores, and the like and seeing the "Made in America" branding. I was proud. The quality was good. Sometimes the Union tax made things too expensive but that was addressable.

Americans today don't have real substantial jobs. They are not manufacturing jobs. They are mutual butt wiping jobs. Services jobs.

We gave up too much for the world and the world hasn't paid us back and never ever will. We need to make policies to secure our future against all the coming head winds. Could be too late but it wouldn't hurt to try.

God Bless America.

It's the fault of US workers who refused to accept a minimum wage that only allows them to afford a bowl of rice a day in their unheated dirt floor hovel.

So Republicans invented free trade agreements with Mexico to solve that problem . Guys like Romney looked for a market solution to the American worker's dirty floor hovel aversion by pioneering outsourcing of US manufacturing.

We could have kept our manufacturing base if workers would only accept a lower standard of living and a reduction in their rights.

 

[Colorforms]

It's the fault of US workers who refused to accept a minimum wage that only allows them to afford a bowl of rice a day in their unheated dirt floor hovel.

So Republicans invented free trade agreements with Mexico to solve that problem . Guys like Romney looked for a market solution to the American worker's dirty floor hovel aversion by pioneering outsourcing of US manufacturing.

We could have kept our manufacturing base if workers would only accept a lower standard of living and a reduction in their rights.

Well that's complete crap. Families used to be able to survive on a single salary. I remember the days of the "bread winner". My father was one. Now, it's very hard for a family to survive on one salary. This I would blame on globalization. How can American workers who insist on $30/hour to bolt in a plate compete with workers being pulled out of the rice fields for a dollar a day?

 

[God of War]

Nobody buys shit products. That is not how Capitalism works.
People buy the products that suit their needs for the lowest price.

@PhilFish
I went to Home Depot to buy a toilet handle. Only one Chinese made crap choice.

I went to Lowes to buy screen mesh and only one brand choice between Lowes and Home Depot. Supposedly American made but the spline smells of that shit Chinese made rubber. The package does not say made in America and the smell is that poignant one that has a pepper kind of a burn. There is a warning label that the product contains a known carcinogen per California regulation.

I bought boiled linseed to treat the deck. First time treatment. Worked great. Actually made in America.

You're a <offensive remark here> OF because I'm sure you don't notice these things, do you?

 

[God of War]

I remeber very well the big tado about buy American be American. Most of everything I bought was made in Germany, my fatherland. So much of the tool steel made here was low grade and so were the tools made from it.

My grandfather had tools that were 70 years old that worked just fine. My gand uncle was a machinist at a national lab as were his son and grandson. They all three worked with the same equipment that worked to high machining standard tolerances that were only but a few years back removed.

Germany has good tools but then you have a point were the Union prices were/are just too much. I did splurge last year and bought some high quality german kitchen knives. Still you could buy 3 different grades of tools in America with 6 different brands. That isn't so real now. Same names different (i.e. Chinese) locations of mfg.

 

[God of War]

It's the fault of US workers who refused to accept a minimum wage that only allows them to afford a bowl of rice a day in their unheated dirt floor hovel.

So Republicans invented free trade agreements with Mexico to solve that problem . Guys like Romney looked for a market solution to the American worker's dirty floor hovel aversion by pioneering outsourcing of US manufacturing.

We could have kept our manufacturing base if workers would only accept a lower standard of living and a reduction in their rights.

UNIONS HAD $120K/YR JOBS PUSHING BUTTONS THAT WERE REALLY $20K/YR JOBS. UNIONS DID COST US AUTO MFG QUALITY WHICH WAS EVIDENT WHEN THE JAP CARS SHOWED UP. EVIDENT WHEN U.S. MFG MOVED SOUTH TO TN.

We can have our mfg base back if Unions are forced to buy shares of the companies they are in with Union dues.

 

[ObamacareForever]

@PhilFish
I went to Home Depot to buy a toilet handle. Only one Chinese made crap choice.

I went to Lowes to buy screen mesh and only one brand choice between Lowes and Home Depot. Supposedly American made but the spline smells of that shit Chinese made shit rubber. The package does not say made in America and the smell is that poignant one that has a pepper kind of a burn. There is a warning label that the product contains a know carcinogen per California regulation.

I bought boiled linseed to treat the deck. First time treatment. Worked great. Actually made in America.

You're a <offensive remark here> OF because I'm sure you don't notice these things, do you?

Generally I don't care where it's made. Makes zero difference to me.

 

[ObamacareForever]

I think the recent past has shown that we can't rely on other countries for the things we need here. We are hamstringing ourselves both in manufacturing and in energy production.

Nobody is hamstrung. Globalization has been great, you get better quality at lower prices.

 

[ObamacareForever]

We can have our mfg base back if Unions are forced to buy shares of the companies they are in with Union dues.

Worker owned business is precisely how communism works.

 

[God of War]

Generally I don't care where it's made. Makes zero difference to me.

Clearly you didn't read what I wrote if that is what you feel is a response worth reading let alone worth typing.

But certainly I know of people like you who the quality of the stuff integral to their lives means very little. They are usually Dems/lefties who really aren't green and are happy with a disposable attitude towards those things. It's hypocrisy at its finest nuance.

 

[Spamature]

Well that's complete crap. Families used to be able to survive on a single salary. I remember the days of the "bread winner". My father was one. Now, it's very hard for a family to survive on one salary. This I would blame on globalization. How can American workers who insist on $30/hour to bolt in a plate compete with workers being pulled out of the rice fields for a dollar a day?

There you go.
That same attitude about workers resulted in what your top post complaint .

You might as well say why won't have pride in their nation and just live on dirty floors

 

[ObamacareForever]

Clearly you didn't read what I wrote if that is what you feel is a response worth reading let alone worth typing.

But certainly I know of people like you who the quality of the stuff integral to their lives means very little. They are usually Dems/lefties who really aren't green and are happy with a disposable attitude towards those things. It's hypocrisy at its finest nuance.

America is competitive in a lot of industries- entertainment, finance, biopharma, technology.
Too bad that in the middle of America they are indoctrinated to believe those aren't "real jobs" or whatever.

 

[Spamature]

UNIONS HAD $120K/YR JOBS PUSHING BUTTONS THAT WERE REALLY $20K/YR JOBS. UNIONS DID COST US AUTO MFG QUALITY WHICH WAS EVIDENT WHEN THE JAP CARS SHOWED UP. EVIDENT WHEN U.S. MFG MOVED SOUTH TO TN.

We can have our mfg base back if Unions are forced to buy shares of the companies they are in with Union dues.

You mean foreign manufacturing moved into the South.
That's basically colonialism.
Our worker exploitation race to the bottom has come full circle.

 

[God of War]

Nobody is hamstrung. Globalization has been great, you get better quality at lower prices.

Globalization has been going on since before Marco Polo so don't pretend it is some kind of new notion. Free trade has been great is what you more likely mean or you're confusing globalism with globalization.

In general what happened is not only did we outsource the jobs we outsourced the pollution; where a big cost savings came from. Increasingly automation is being used in China and SE Asia that should have been placed here but wasn't because of pollution standards for one (because automation really works best in locations that have their energy needs assured. Think U.S. gas).

Never mind. An Obamacare proponent like yourself who would NOT go to India or Costa Rica for health tourism will never really grasp how poorly you have thought on this matter.