White culture turned.

[BobbyT]

My points on "white culture" didn't have much to do with my sarcastic comment at the end, which suggests that we look too much into skin color, especially when debating social issues and politics.

On that we agree!

 

[squareshot]

Concur that having a job and a means to support yourself and your family is a good thing. But being free meant that Mr. Jack couldn't sell off members of your family (not to mention they had the freedom to more North, as you note). That's gotta be worth something, eh?

Yes, but the ones who moved north could not always find jobs or food. I don't think he sold any slaves, they were like his family. I rather doubt that all slave owners were like the owners portrayed in Roots. Most of the people in the south were just trying to make a living, and I think black people recognized that, and worked as hard as they could to get extras for their family. I do know that the slaves had guns to hunt with for meat and failing that they had slingshots. I am not saying that anything about slavery was good, but after the slaves were here there was no place for them to go back too.

 

[resident_evil]

Do you think this alleged propensity toward violence is coded in the genes that produce skin color?

I said it wasn't genetic already. I said all differences are cultural. Thanks for asking though.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

When I see shit like this I don't like America or Americans.

Walmart is a problem. I used to think their wages were their prerogative but when they are willing to bait Americans like this and allow numbers in their stores that Fire Marshals should be fining for then enough is enough. Walmart must go. It is a net negative in civilization.

The problem is not the low wages they pay, the problem is that so many Americans have to rely on a Walmart type of job as their primary source of income. Some jobs were only ever meant to provide beer and date money for enterprising teens or a little extra dough on the side to supplement the contributions of the primary breadwinner. Cashier or stock boy should not be considered head of household style employment. But getting to the root of THAT problem is a lot more bothersome than simply shaming retailers for paying low wages to low to no skill jobs.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yes, Black culture is more violent than White culture. The shooters in Aurora, Ill. theatre, the Sandy Hook Elem. School, at Gabreille Gifford's office---oh wait. Those were not Blacks. Sorry.

That is such a poor argument. The fact that you have a small handful of exceptions to toss in to the mix actually helps the other side's argument. If one were to try to make a list of black on white/black/whoever crime the list would be too long to be worth even scrolling past. The only argument you refute with your post is an argument of exclusivity, which nobody is making.

 

[Ben Arnold]

The problem is not the low wages they pay, the problem is that so many Americans have to rely on a Walmart type of job as their primary source of income. Some jobs were only ever meant to provide beer and date money for enterprising teens or a little extra dough on the side to supplement the contributions of the primary breadwinner. Cashier or stock boy should not be considered head of household style employment. But getting to the root of THAT problem is a lot more bothersome than simply shaming retailers for paying low wages to low to no skill jobs.

Actually the only problem with services, which are growing, we are supremely good at, gets us better than 95 cents of every Dollar in the value chain, creating more jobs in services than are lost in unskilled manufacture is .... Pays too little.

The thing is, our value has never been what we do. It's what we make and spend back into the economy. True statement.

Consider the worker revolution that was unionization, and wage mininims being made law: same workers; no change; no promise of increased productivity, nor quality of output. Hell; less productivity, with shorter hours and fewer work days. And more money! Businesses fighting for their very existence with thugs paid to protect what little was left after cost of operations and having to pay entire families, 7 days a week, 12 hours a day so the ingrates could bask in the luxury of abject poverty, which economists were sure was the only thing making business and the economy fuction and compete with a revolution begun in England we had to compete with. Do less, for WAY more money. No other motive than unmitigated worker greed.

Result: Glory Days, and the envy of the world, the Great American Middle Class that combined military might with the most powerful economy ever seen, long after European and Japanese industry had been rebuilt, with huge help from us, in the 50s when Truman resided over great growth, and Ike coasted allowing him time to get us falling in love with a game he liked.in Scotland, so Interstate Highways could link this great nation's many new municipal golf courses ... which coming from the Great Depression had to have seemed surreal.

Nothing but our own ignorance will stop us from repeating the success that comes from making poverty wages onto wages that allow workers to buy stuff businesses sell.

Nothing. BS psuedoeconomic crap coming from well paid thinking on demand tanks is used to keep peoplr frightened of jobs that will not be lost but created, prices that will not rise in parallel but stabilize, and business opportuinity that will not evaporate but thrive, since they left out a little item in actual political economics: demand side increase. Sort of like a diet plan that's ice cream based, failing to consider caloric uptake. That kind of oversight, ie deliberate distortion and manipulative fear mongering that feeds on the fact most Americans and even most business owners are not economists.

Fact. I can prove it on an Etch a Sketch, to borrow from the late and arrogant Bill Hicks.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I don't want my beer getting more expensive.

 

[Dino]

Just about all the grey Thursday and black Friday violence vids I've seen on the internet so far has been predominantly whites and little to no blacks. It may well be over for America both morally and culturally.

Remember one thing when there are limited scenes shown when many acts of violence are reported- the mass media of TV news show you precisely, and not any more, than what they want to.

 

[Ben Arnold]

I don't want my beer getting more expensive.

Won't. Something the rightie BS in econ drag also leaves out, we do not buy the same stuff with the more money; we buy more stuff with the more money. No kidding. Think back to the last time you got a raise.

Or see what happens when a Leftie Pinko like me takes Economist magazine's Big Mac Index that they try to make Europeans higher middle class incomes seem moot, since Big Macs are spendy and no drive thru. So they have to park the Volvo or BMW, and then compares Big Mac prices when we tried to put McDonalds out of business with a 43 percent increase in the FMW, that Bush 43 (ironic?) signed.

Guess what might gave resulted? Damn things going through the roof, cost wise?

Nope, slowed down in inflation trajectory. Actually increased demand some other efficiencies they forget to mention when selling BS in econ drag, that tend to compress cost, both in internal business accounting, not to mention stuff supply siders always talk about normally when lower taxes is the conclusion they're getting paid to arrive at: Economy of Scale; Competition! (growing markets have a strong appeal for businesses to get them some of the growth, and they lean volume instead of margin)

Actual, real, ecomomics, from a self described Liberal even! (statistically highest earning and educated group, on average, as it happens.)

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The effort to laughs ratio is definitely in my favor in this thread.

 

[BobbyT]

I said it wasn't genetic already. I said all differences are cultural. Thanks for asking though.

Cool, now that we've agreed that it's got nothing to do with skin color, we can agree that the "blacks behaving badly" posts are so much nonsense. Because, since it has nothing to do with skin color, there is some other root cause. Perhaps poverty? If we want to curb violence in our society, we would do better to look to what encourages people to look to crime rather than other means of making a living or of gaining respect, or to gain whatever else it is that criminals are looking to gain. Because looking at the skin color of the criminals or their victims doesn't further us at all towards solutions. But it sure does line the pockets of politicians (and new organizations) who get paid to sensationalize crime (and spur fear of people) on the basis of skin color.

 

[Jen]

Cool, now that we've agreed that it's got nothing to do with skin color, we can agree that the "blacks behaving badly" posts are so much nonsense. Because, since it has nothing to do with skin color, there is some other root cause. Perhaps poverty? If we want to curb violence in our society, we would do better to look to what encourages people to look to crime rather than other means of making a living or of gaining respect, or to gain whatever else it is that criminals are looking to gain. Because looking at the skin color of the criminals or their victims doesn't further us at all towards solutions. But it sure does line the pockets of politicians (and new organizations) who get paid to sensationalize crime (and spur fear of people) on the basis of skin color.

You are trying every way you can to make something about skin color aren't you.
You've become a tad too transparent about that here on this post.

 

[BobbyT]

You are trying every way you can to make something about skin color aren't you.
You've become a tad too transparent about that here on this post.

The TP was about white culture. If you don't understand that's about skin color I can't help you.

 

[Spamature]

Black culture is more violent that white culture (or has been). FBI statistics bear this out. Rap music bears this out. Youtube videos bear this out. National news reports bear this out. Local news reports bear this out. Friends and family experiences bear this out and personal experience bears this out. It is so bad the black and white contrast that FBI statistics around 1999 consolidated Hispanics into the white column to add more violence onto whites. This is not to say blacks are genetically violent. I don't believe genes has anything at play in racial or ethnic differences. I know the differences are purely cultural. I've long said if blacks don't want to 'act white' for racial pride reasons then better yet for them to start 'acting asian'.

And if you come back with your white grandfather and his father were fvckers and so blacks (or any new violent culture) can be fvckers today then you can go fvck yourself. I am deaf to your claims of racism. I don't give a shit.

WTF !!!!

Your post now turns into an attack on Blacks ? Man you do have some racial hangups, don't you ? Again ! What makes you think that Whites were above this kind of behavior ? And so much so that it means the end of America. Again this nation was built on the very kind of savagery (an all out push for personal gain which very much included violence against other to make those gains).

As for the go fvck yourself part. You seem to be saying that Black violence is somehow of excuse for the White violence you are lamenting. So I guess that means you should tell yourself to go fvck yourself for doing the exact thing you surmised I might do in my reply.

 

[Spamature]

It's not just Wal-Mart, ALL stores where the scenes of people acting stupidly within hours of being with family and giving thanks.........Wal-Mart just have more stores and I can't believe Black Friday hasn't been declared Racist.....after-all, peanut butter & jelly sandwich today is Racist and don't forget Redskins also. Fools are the problem, not the stores√

No the stores ARE the problem. They know good and well they will not have enough stock on hand to give everyone the bargains they've advertized. They know good and well they there will be a vicious competition to get the few items they do have. It does not take a genius to see what happens when you pit people against each other in scenario where only the physically strongest or most physically determined will win.

 

[resident_evil]

WTF !!!!

Your post now turns into an attack on Blacks ? Man you do have some racial hangups, don't you ? Again ! What makes you think that Whites were above this kind of behavior ? And so much so that it means the end of America. Again this nation was built on the very kind of savagery (an all out push for personal gain which very much included violence against other to make those gains).

As for the go fvck yourself part. You seem to be saying that Black violence is somehow of excuse for the White violence you are lamenting. So I guess that means you should tell yourself to go fvck yourself for doing the exact thing you surmised I might do in my reply.

I said what I had to say. It is clean. There is no racism. This is about CULTURE and not genetic differences. I don't believe in genetic differences. I see actual cultural differences.