Who Pays for Ukraine Economy Falling Apart?

[Tameamea]

The revolution in Ukraine is an old story today. It’s been almost a year. Or already a year, hard to tell for sure. We all were following the story, and I guess, got boring.

Everything is clear now. The revolutionaries are good, the guys resisting the revolution and refusing to acknowledge the new government are bad Russia-backed rebels. That’s clear, ok.

Recently Obama has admitted that US took some part in this revolution. Great, nothing new under the sun. Now our country is considering the military assistance to Ukraine.

As for Ukraine government itself, it claims to be all nice and fighting with troubles and injustice. And keeps asking for money. More and more money from European Union and USA. I wonder what they are going to do with them. But according to some sources, definitely not to pay social benefits to the citizens of Ukraine. It’s ok they are not paying anything to people in Donbas and Luhansk, we all know there are no civilians, only rebels. But the government doesn’t carry out obligations towards people in other regions of the country: Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast. People living there haven’t been paid since August 2014. Big industrial plant Yuzhmash (god knows what it means) can’t pay its employees, and it’s not the only one.

You know, it’s easy to watch some president saying he’s fighting for democracy in his own country. And give him money. Our tax money goes to Ukraine to help their president send more troops to fight for revolution. And not to pay people in his own country. I don’t like that at all.

 

[PhilFish]

The revolution in Ukraine is an old story today. It’s been almost a year. Or already a year, hard to tell for sure. We all were following the story, and I guess, got boring.

Everything is clear now. The revolutionaries are good, the guys resisting the revolution and refusing to acknowledge the new government are bad Russia-backed rebels. That’s clear, ok.

Recently Obama has admitted that US took some part in this revolution. Great, nothing new under the sun. Now our country is considering the military assistance to Ukraine.

As for Ukraine government itself, it claims to be all nice and fighting with troubles and injustice. And keeps asking for money. More and more money from European Union and USA. I wonder what they are going to do with them. But according to some sources, definitely not to pay social benefits to the citizens of Ukraine. It’s ok they are not paying anything to people in Donbas and Luhansk, we all know there are no civilians, only rebels. But the government doesn’t carry out obligations towards people in other regions of the country: Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast. People living there haven’t been paid since August 2014. Big industrial plant Yuzhmash (god knows what it means) can’t pay its employees, and it’s not the only one.

You know, it’s easy to watch some president saying he’s fighting for democracy in his own country. And give him money. Our tax money goes to Ukraine to help their president send more troops to fight for revolution. And not to pay people in his own country. I don’t like that at all.

Yuzhmash is a Russian portmanteau that stands for Southern Machines

alternately is is known as...Production Union Southern Machine-Building Plant named after A.M. Makarov

 

[BitterPill]

The revolution in Ukraine is an old story today. It’s been almost a year. Or already a year, hard to tell for sure. We all were following the story, and I guess, got boring.

Everything is clear now. The revolutionaries are good, the guys resisting the revolution and refusing to acknowledge the new government are bad Russia-backed rebels. That’s clear, ok.

Recently Obama has admitted that US took some part in this revolution. Great, nothing new under the sun. Now our country is considering the military assistance to Ukraine.

As for Ukraine government itself, it claims to be all nice and fighting with troubles and injustice. And keeps asking for money. More and more money from European Union and USA. I wonder what they are going to do with them. But according to some sources, definitely not to pay social benefits to the citizens of Ukraine. It’s ok they are not paying anything to people in Donbas and Luhansk, we all know there are no civilians, only rebels. But the government doesn’t carry out obligations towards people in other regions of the country: Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast. People living there haven’t been paid since August 2014. Big industrial plant Yuzhmash (god knows what it means) can’t pay its employees, and it’s not the only one.

You know, it’s easy to watch some president saying he’s fighting for democracy in his own country. And give him money. Our tax money goes to Ukraine to help their president send more troops to fight for revolution. And not to pay people in his own country. I don’t like that at all.

The battle in Ukraine seems to be one of democracy versus autocracy.

 

[PhilFish]

The battle in Ukraine seems to be one of democracy versus autocracy.

yup. freedom.

 

[SW48]

Is the world saying Russian troops are not fighting in Ukraine?

I haven't followed this and wasn't sure who to believe. Sorry

 

[Fast Eddy]

Obama orchestrated the revolution, one more thing he has screwed up. We are too broke to help.

 

[Queen Titania]

The battle in Ukraine seems to be one of democracy versus autocracy.

Huh?

 

[Queen Titania]

The revolution in Ukraine is an old story today. It’s been almost a year. Or already a year, hard to tell for sure. We all were following the story, and I guess, got boring.

Everything is clear now. The revolutionaries are good, the guys resisting the revolution and refusing to acknowledge the new government are bad Russia-backed rebels. That’s clear, ok.

Recently Obama has admitted that US took some part in this revolution. Great, nothing new under the sun. Now our country is considering the military assistance to Ukraine.

As for Ukraine government itself, it claims to be all nice and fighting with troubles and injustice. And keeps asking for money. More and more money from European Union and USA. I wonder what they are going to do with them. But according to some sources, definitely not to pay social benefits to the citizens of Ukraine. It’s ok they are not paying anything to people in Donbas and Luhansk, we all know there are no civilians, only rebels. But the government doesn’t carry out obligations towards people in other regions of the country: Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast. People living there haven’t been paid since August 2014. Big industrial plant Yuzhmash (god knows what it means) can’t pay its employees, and it’s not the only one.

You know, it’s easy to watch some president saying he’s fighting for democracy in his own country. And give him money. Our tax money goes to Ukraine to help their president send more troops to fight for revolution. And not to pay people in his own country. I don’t like that at all.

Europe will pay -

 

[PhilFish]

Europe will pay -

well, actually, it's Ukraine paying..

what with now deposed Russian puppets having gutted the economy and enriched sycophants and friends; decades upon decades of graft and black market dealings; and generations upon generations of living in the soviet and post soviet miasma of theft, destruction and usury..

one would think a loan might be of some assistance.. but let's not delude ourselves into forgetting how they got there..

 

[Queen Titania]

well, actually, it's Ukraine paying..

what with now deposed Russian puppets having gutted the economy and enriched sycophants and friends; decades upon decades of graft and black market dealings; and generations upon generations of living in the soviet and post soviet miasma of theft, destruction and usury..

one would think a loan might be of some assistance.. but let's not delude ourselves into forgetting how they got there..

In the end it will be Europe - and in more ways than one - You don't live in Europe, you don't know how it is - you are, as far as The Ukraine is concerned, living in the past.

Monsanto will be one price - mass exodus another - it isn't all about money -

 

[as seen on tv]

please link to a credible source which substantiates that american tax dollars have, or should be, sent to the Ukraine.

 

[PhilFish]

In the end it will be Europe - and in more ways than one - You don't live in Europe, you don't know how it is - you are, as far as The Ukraine is concerned, living in the past.

Monsanto will be one price - mass exodus another - it isn't all about money -

No, I'm not. I simply have the benefit of historical context and fact. Rather than regurgitations from RT and conspiratorial fluff pieces.

 

[Queen Titania]

No, I'm not. I simply have the benefit of historical context and fact. Rather than regurgitations from RT and conspiratorial fluff pieces.

And what does your historical context tell you? I am sure it tells you the same as mine and that is that ignorant US interference in Europe is deadly for Europe -

When Monsanto has destroyed the earth in The Ukraine - who will be crying and starving again? Not you -----------------

 

[PhilFish]

And what does your historical context tell you? I am sure it tells you the same as mine and that is that ignorant US interference in Europe is deadly for Europe -

When Monsanto has destroyed the earth in The Ukraine - who will be crying and starving again? Not you -----------------

Actually, it tells me that deliberate Russian interference and hegemony has brought a fertile, beautiful nation to the brink of ruin... and a heretofore subjugated and unduly influenced people .. will not stand for it any longer.

 

[Queen Titania]

Actually, it tells me that deliberate Russian interference and hegemony has brought a fertile, beautiful nation to the brink of ruin... and a heretofore subjugated and unduly influenced people .. will not stand for it any longer.

You, an American are complaining about interference and hegemony? The hypocrisy of such a statement is astounding, I bet you aren't even aware of it either, even more astounding.

Life and the Ways of the World are not fair - but The Ukraine is the birth place of Russia - their History is entwined their people are of the same blood, their borders are the same, they live side by side for good and for bad, they are bound by geography - and you a powerful but ignorant country from thousands of mile away - feel you have the right to plant a puppet on their throne - shout about the righteousness and sinfulness as though you are talking to a bloody bible thumping Church congregation - The US is there for Corporate profit and to weaken and threaten Russia - it doesn't give a shit about the people -


One day soon - you will actually have to fight your War on the rest of the World on your own territory instead of always in other peoples Land -

 

[PhilFish]

You, an American are complaining about interference and hegemony? The hypocrisy of such a statement is astounding, I bet you aren't even aware of it either, even more astounding.

Life and the Ways of the World are not fair - but The Ukraine is the birth place of Russia - their History is entwined their people are of the same blood, their borders are the same, they live side by side for good and for bad, they are bound by geography - and you a powerful but ignorant country from thousands of mile away - feel you have the right to plant a puppet on their throne - shout about the righteousness and sinfulness as though you are talking to a bloody bible thumping Church congregation - The US is there for Corporate profit and to weaken Russia - it doesn't give a shit about the people -

reflect on your own history before opining on mine.
I'm an American, but also of Ukrainian descent, I don't need your interpretations of what 'is' in Ukraine..
It would be a more worthwhile discussion if you acknowledged Russian interference and hegemony in the proper context rather than excising it wholesale. If you want a lesson in puppets, you'd be wise to review Yanukovich's history..too.

meanwhile, do it's peoples a favor and drop the article 'The'.. it's Ukraine. At least you'll then signal that your current on goings on there.

 

[Queen Titania]

reflect on your own history before opining on mine.
I'm an American, but also of Ukrainian descent, I don't need your interpretations of what 'is' in Ukraine..
It would be a more worthwhile discussion if you acknowledged Russian interference and hegemony in the proper context rather than excising it wholesale. If you want a lesson in puppets, you'd be wise to review Yanukovich's history..too.

meanwhile, do it's peoples a favor and drop the article 'The'.. it's Ukraine. At least you'll then signal that your current on goings on there.

The Ukraine = The Border Lands - I shall call it by its proper name when translated into English - since there is no The in The Ukraine, for me to call it simply Ukraine is simply bad translating, pigeon English.

I do not deny my countries History nor it follies of recent years.

What ever the corruptions of The Ukrainian Government, Oh and of course they are now over, due to the CIA coup - What ever one does not like about another country and or it relationship with its neighbour, should we going rushing in imposing and deposing and causing havoc? ------------------------- Oh um silly me that is all America has done for the last 70+ years ------------ ooops but that is irrelevant eh? because it is 'do as I say, do not do as I do' according to your righteous Politicos shit faces - isn't it?

Corruption! Loooooooooooooooooool go and tell it to the ducks even they will laugh at you -----------

 

[Boltlady]

Actually, it tells me that deliberate Russian interference and hegemony has brought a fertile, beautiful nation to the brink of ruin... and a heretofore subjugated and unduly influenced people .. will not stand for it any longer.

Seems like a lot of those people would prefer Russian interference.

 

[PhilFish]

The Ukraine = The Border Lands - I shall call it by its proper name when translated into English - since there is no The in The Ukraine, for me to call it simply Ukraine is simply bad translating, pigeon English.

I do not deny my countries History nor it follies of recent years.

What ever the corruptions of The Ukrainian Government, Oh and of course they are now over, due to the CIA coup - What ever one does not like about another country and or it relationship with its neighbour, should we going rushing in imposing and deposing and causing havoc? ------------------------- Oh um silly me that is all America has done for the last 70+ years ------------ ooops but that is irrelevant eh? because it is 'do as I say, do not do as I do' according to your righteous Politicos shit faces - isn't it?

Corruption! Loooooooooooooooooool go and tell it to the ducks even they will laugh at you -----------

no, I guess we should cleave to the mores of the bolshevik era..and allow neighbors to take what is not theirs with no repercussions...

 

[PhilFish]

Seems like a lot of those people would prefer Russian interference.

nah, the majority just wish to live their lives in peace.