Who Was In The Wrong?

[Patrick]

This is an old video, but from the pace at which responses are posted, you'd think it happened yesterday.

It shows a young girl, Shelwanda Riley of Ft. Pierce, Florida, which is a city that consistently ranks among the top 25 most violent in the country. She is out past curfew and was stopped by a policeman. She apparently refused to answer questions and when he tried to stop her, she attempted to kick him in the groin. He dragged her to the front of the police car and the fight was on!

Maybe now that this video is old news, cooler heads will prevail. I watched the video and thought, "The cop showed professionalism, courtesy and restraint."

I posted that, and from the reaction I got, you'd think I'd spit in the Pope's face.

The police were alerted when someone called 9-1-1 to report two apparently underage kids wandering through the neighborhood carrying white garbage bags. When the police arrived, he found Shelwanda, apparently one of the kids carrying a white garbage bag containing clothing with the tags attached. The clothes she was wearing also had the tags attached.

So, have I lost it? Is the cop really something out of Nazi Germany? Because in my opinion, she was entirely in the wrong. Here's the video, please share what you think.

[video=youtube;10VKwULQbb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10VKwULQbb8[/video]

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Mr. Patrick,

I see three people in the wrong, in order:

#1 and formost, the editors of the video trying to make something more than what it was but looping the more physical attempts of the office to subdue a criminal over and over again.

#2 The little criminal punk; and

#3 The officer for not tazing her and making her dance in front of the camera. America loves to see scumbags rightously flopping around like an out of water fish.

 

[Patrick]

Mr. Patrick,

I see three people in the wrong, in order:

#1 and formost, the editors of the video trying to make something more than what it was but looping the more physical attempts of the office to subdue a criminal over and over again.

#2 The little criminal punk; and

#3 The officer for not tazing her and making her dance in front of the camera. America loves to see scumbags rightously flopping around like an out of water fish.

Number 1 I definitely agree with and I should have picked a different version of this video. He's trying to make it worse than it actually was. Ironically, when I saw a regular video, it actually looked worse because it was happening faster. So, he punched her...as she was trying to bite him. Human bites are nasty things. If a human bite breaks the skin, get thee to a doctor. The bacteria in our mouths can cause sepsis.

But, so you know, she was charged with resisting arrest and felony battery. Both charges were dropped when Shelwanda entered a diversion program, which required her to perform community service and write two essays on the importance of respecting curfew and the other on cooperating with the police.

 

[Patrick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul6hGHeeioc

This is an unedited version of the same video. But check out the uploader comments!

Shelwanda Riley assaulted by sexual predator and sadistic cop. This cop is a sexual predator and social deviant that has been given the power to kidnap, torture, assault and molest children when and where he sees fit. The evidence is here.

Folks this is what a violent sexual assault looks like. Someone please make this cop answer for his crimes.

This is police terrorism.

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http://www.blockreportin.com

http://youtu.be/s3WZV3Dg9Vc

 

[Spamature]

This is an old video, but from the pace at which responses are posted, you'd think it happened yesterday.

It shows a young girl, Shelwanda Riley of Ft. Pierce, Florida, which is a city that consistently ranks among the top 25 most violent in the country. She is out past curfew and was stopped by a policeman. She apparently refused to answer questions and when he tried to stop her, she attempted to kick him in the groin. He dragged her to the front of the police car and the fight was on!

Maybe now that this video is old news, cooler heads will prevail. I watched the video and thought, "The cop showed professionalism, courtesy and restraint."

I posted that, and from the reaction I got, you'd think I'd spit in the Pope's face.

The police were alerted when someone called 9-1-1 to report two apparently underage kids wandering through the neighborhood carrying white garbage bags. When the police arrived, he found Shelwanda, apparently one of the kids carrying a white garbage bag containing clothing with the tags attached. The clothes she was wearing also had the tags attached.

So, have I lost it? Is the cop really something out of Nazi Germany? Because in my opinion, she was entirely in the wrong. Here's the video, please share what you think.

I don't know. She was not under any requirement to answer the officers questions. That's in the Constitution. He suspected her of having committed a crime. But at the same time I don't think it should be up to anyone to have to prove that they haven't committed a crime. That being said, he certainly had cause to arrest her if the curfew applied to her. But punching her was excessive force and slamming her against the car could be viewed that way too.

 

[gabriel]

if she was out after curfew, she was committing a crime. and did she try and bite him first or not?

 

[Spamature]

if she was out after curfew, she was committing a crime. and did she try and bite him first or not?

I said if the curfew applied to her He had the right to arrest her. But he didn't have the right to punch her as revenge for her trying to bite him.

I use this as the standard.

If a puppy had tried to bite him and he punched that puppy the same way he punch her. He probably be in trouble for it. And I don't see how anyone can hold the standard of treatment of a human being below that of an animal.

 

[RedCloud]

This is an old video, but from the pace at which responses are posted, you'd think it happened yesterday.

It shows a young girl, Shelwanda Riley of Ft. Pierce, Florida, which is a city that consistently ranks among the top 25 most violent in the country. She is out past curfew and was stopped by a policeman. She apparently refused to answer questions and when he tried to stop her, she attempted to kick him in the groin. He dragged her to the front of the police car and the fight was on!

Maybe now that this video is old news, cooler heads will prevail. I watched the video and thought, "The cop showed professionalism, courtesy and restraint."

I posted that, and from the reaction I got, you'd think I'd spit in the Pope's face.

The police were alerted when someone called 9-1-1 to report two apparently underage kids wandering through the neighborhood carrying white garbage bags. When the police arrived, he found Shelwanda, apparently one of the kids carrying a white garbage bag containing clothing with the tags attached. The clothes she was wearing also had the tags attached.

So, have I lost it? Is the cop really something out of Nazi Germany? Because in my opinion, she was entirely in the wrong. Here's the video, please share what you think.

[video=youtube;10VKwULQbb8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10VKwULQbb8[/video]

In my opinion that Cop is a sadistic SOB. He had one of her arms behind her back and pushed up to near the breaking point. He could have easily grasped her other arm with his free hand and puts it behind her back instead of repeating, "Put your hands behind your back," while breaking her other arm. Notice that he had one hand free and the other one was pressing one of her arms to an extreme degree.

I would have no qualms about telling him to hit the road.

 

[fairsheet]

I'm of two minds about this. Back in my day (as we old farts say), if I'd given a cop the sort of grief this girl did, he'd have simply smacked me upside the head with his club and that would've been that....I'd have calmed down right quick. Of course I knew better than to provoke him into doing that...partly I suppose, because there were no cameras for me to mug to, and partly because I wouldn't have gotten any sympathy from anyone if there were!

Nowadays, we expect for cops to be such experts in some sort of new-age martial arts, that they can subdue every recalictrant with out inflicting any untowardness nor pain.

 

[Patrick]

I don't know. She was not under any requirement to answer the officers questions. That's in the Constitution. He suspected her of having committed a crime. But at the same time I don't think it should be up to anyone to have to prove that they haven't committed a crime. That being said, he certainly had cause to arrest her if the curfew applied to her. But punching her was excessive force and slamming her against the car could be viewed that way too.

Thanks for the opinion. I can't say that I agree with you, though. Since she was out past curfew (and looked underage), he has the right to arrest her. As for punching her, he said, "Don't bite me!" which it appeared she was trying to do. He has the right to repel attacks on his person, and if punching her was the way to do it, then so be it. Also it looked to me that he wasn't doing this in retaliation. If he were, he would have hauled off and belted her one. It seemed more to me that he was interested in protecting himself from being bitten. And as a cop, he probably knows that human bites are dangerous. Had she broken the skin, he could have contracted sepsis.

As for slamming her against the hood of the car, similarly, it looked more like he was interested in restraining her, not hurting her.

And she was resisting arrest, which brings me to who I think is the real responsible party for this altercation: her parents. She was obviously never taught that when the cops say you're under arrest, it's "Game Over." Fighting with the police will only make it worse for you, as she discovered when she got a much deserved facefull of pepper spray.

But her attitude seemed to be, "Well, if I struggle and cry, the cop will think it's more trouble than it's worth to arrest me and he'll let me go."

 

[Patrick]

if she was out after curfew, she was committing a crime. and did she try and bite him first or not?

Honestly, it's hard to tell. Either the cop thought she was trying to bite him (and his reflexive action of popping her in the face seems to think he did), or he's a cagey and diabolical S.O.B. and thought she was giving him the opportunity to make it look like she was biting him, so he would have an excuse for popping her one.

I'm inclined to think she really tried to bite him, or at least got her face close enough to his wrist to make him fear she was going to.

 

[Patrick]

I said if the curfew applied to her He had the right to arrest her. But he didn't have the right to punch her as revenge for her trying to bite him.

I use this as the standard.

If a puppy had tried to bite him and he punched that puppy the same way he punch her. He probably be in trouble for it. And I don't see how anyone can hold the standard of treatment of a human being below that of an animal.

To me, it didn't look like he hit her that hard. And I saw it more as a reflexive act, not retaliatory. She was out past curfew and resisting arrest.

Also, I'm not so sure he would have gotten in trouble if he hit a puppy that way that was trying to bite him. He is allowed to protect himself from being bitten.

 

[Patrick]

I'm of two minds about this. Back in my day (as we old farts say), if I'd given a cop the sort of grief this girl did, he'd have simply smacked me upside the head with his club and that would've been that....I'd have calmed down right quick. Of course I knew better than to provoke him into doing that...partly I suppose, because there were no cameras for me to mug to, and partly because I wouldn't have gotten any sympathy from anyone if there were!

Nowadays, we expect for cops to be such experts in some sort of new-age martial arts, that they can subdue every recalictrant with out inflicting any untowardness nor pain.

Thanks for sharing, and you kind of touch on the point that I made earlier: this is ultimately her parents' fault. If she's old enough to be outside without adult supervision (and she is, although in this case, she was out past curfew), then she's old enough to have been taught, you don't fight the police.

She might have been doing something wrong, too, which could have prompted the fear response. She was wearing clothes with the tags still on it, and the white garbage bag that she was carrying had more clothing with the tags still on it. I don't know, but that's somewhat suspicious. Stolen property, perhaps? Besides Minnie Pearl (who is no longer with us), who the heck wears clothing with the tags still on it?

 

[Patrick]

In my opinion that Cop is a sadistic SOB. He had one of her arms behind her back and pushed up to near the breaking point. He could have easily grasped her other arm with his free hand and puts it behind her back instead of repeating, "Put your hands behind your back," while breaking her other arm. Notice that he had one hand free and the other one was pressing one of her arms to an extreme degree.

I would have no qualms about telling him to hit the road.

I've said enough in this thread for anyone to know that I don't agree with you, but thanks for sharing your opinion. It is good to hear the other extreme from my own point of view, and expressed politely. The ones on YouTube made me sound like I wear white sheets and burn crosses in peoples' front yards.