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Wahbooz

Wahbooz

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It seems we have to stop calling certain rightwingers Neanderthals or Troglodytes. Why, you ask? Because Neanderthals were not as primitive as previously thought. It was always suspected that Neanderthals were a brutish, ignorant species; with no language or technology. But now it has been shown that Neanderthals were actually technologically adept. Unlike 'modern humans', Neanderthals did not use readily available pine pitch as an adhesive, but rather distilled pitch from birch bark; a process that must be precisely carried out. To heat birch bark any cooler than 400 degress C, and the pitch would not form. Any more than 400 degrees C, and the bark would simply burn. Plus they had to use dry distillation, or the bark would burn. Researchers have also discovered that their flintknapping was a very precise process as well. So how did the Neanderthal pass this knowledge down to his descendents, afterall it was always believed that Neanderthals were too primitive for language. Well, not so says Svante Paabo. You see, Neanderthals had the same FoxP2 gene that modern humans do, so they did have the capability of language.

So in closing, the wingnuts do not measure up to the level of the Neanderthal. So now we'll need to find a different branch of the tree to connect certain people to. To call them Neanderthals would be insulting a very ingenious species.
 
Except neanderthals, troglodytes, nor dirt worshiping engines produced the Me 262, the Tiger II tank, or the Type XXI submarine, the V-1.
 
wookie-leeks said:
Except neanderthals, troglodytes, nor dirt worshiping engines produced the Me 262, the Tiger II tank, or the Type XXI submarine, the V-1.
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Hahaha, and neither did 'modern humans' 40,000 years ago. Since Neanderthals were absorbed', or if you choose extinct', about 30,000 years ago, they weren't about to; but then 'modern humans' didn't either.

But then since Europeans possess between 3 and 4, and perhaps more in some cases, percent of Neanderthal DNA, we could say 'Oh yes they did.'
 
Wahbooz said:
It seems we have to stop calling certain rightwingers Neanderthals or Troglodytes. Why, you ask? Because Neanderthals were not as primitive as previously thought. It was always suspected that Neanderthals were a brutish, ignorant species; with no language or technology. But now it has been shown that Neanderthals were actually technologically adept. Unlike 'modern humans', Neanderthals did not use readily available pine pitch as an adhesive, but rather distilled pitch from birch bark; a process that must be precisely carried out. To heat birch bark any cooler than 400 degress C, and the pitch would not form. Any more than 400 degrees C, and the bark would simply burn. Plus they had to use dry distillation, or the bark would burn. Researchers have also discovered that their flintknapping was a very precise process as well. So how did the Neanderthal pass this knowledge down to his descendents, afterall it was always believed that Neanderthals were too primitive for language. Well, not so says Svante Paabo. You see, Neanderthals had the same FoxP2 gene that modern humans do, so they did have the capability of language.

So in closing, the wingnuts do not measure up to the level of the Neanderthal. So now we'll need to find a different branch of the tree to connect certain people to. To call them Neanderthals would be insulting a very ingenious species.
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All true, except that we've always known that Neanderthals had technology. We've had technology since the time we started fashioning stone tools. The oldest known stone tools (from Goma, Ethiopia) date back 2.6 million years. [And there may be older tools, just waiting to be discovered.] This was the Oldowan culture, long, LONG before the Neanderthals came around.
 
they used to think the neanders and homos could not play hide the who-who and produce spawn,,,now we know thats not the case..in fact it seems the homos had a taste for the hairy ones, and even preferred the ape-like trogs to the point of interbreeding them out of existance..but we can see the results even now. they actually get together every 4 years at something they call "The Democratic National Gene Swapping Convention" they dress in clothes and pretend to be almost modern....{but you can tell who they are by the unibrow, and dem-witted monkeyshines}...
 
But that's not "modern humans", LeRoy. It is their contention that "modern humans" didn't come on the scene prior to between 40,000 and 200,000 years ago. But yes, stone tools have been around a very long time, but the stone tools of the Neanderthal are supposed to be much more advanced than the tools that Cuomo georgicus, Cuomo habilis, Cuomo ergaster, or even Cuomo erectus. According to the researchers, Neanderthal used specific strikes in their napping, and their tools were far more ergonomic than previous stone tools.
 
oicu812 said:
they used to think the neanders and homos could not play hide the who-who and produce spawn,,,now we know thats not the case..in fact it seems the homos had a taste for the hairy ones, and even preferred the ape-like trogs to the point of interbreeding them out of existance..but we can see the results even now. they actually get together every 4 years at something they call "The Democratic National Gene Swapping Convention" they dress in clothes and pretend to be almost modern....{but you can tell who they are by the unibrow, and dem-witted monkeyshines}...
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Ok, so where does that put wingnuts on the evolutionary scale? I kind of suspect a lot further down than they care to admit.
 
Wahbooz said:
But that's not "modern humans", LeRoy. It is their contention that "modern humans" didn't come on the scene prior to between 40,000 and 200,000 years ago. But yes, stone tools have been around a very long time, but the stone tools of the Neanderthal are supposed to be much more advanced than the tools that Cuomo georgicus, Cuomo habilis, Cuomo ergaster, or even Cuomo erectus. According to the researchers, Neanderthal used specific strikes in their napping, and their tools were far more ergonomic than previous stone tools.
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Neanderthal tools ARE more advanced than the tools of earlier humans, but I don't know that I would say MUCH more advanced. The Neanderthals used a very different stone tool making technique, making flake tools instead of the chopper tools typically made by the more primitive grades of human. When modern humans like the Cro-Magnons came along about 40,000 years ago in Europe, they were using a still-different technique, the blade tool technique. The three major traditions delineate the Lower Paleolithic (chopper tools), the Middle Paleolithic (the flake tools of the Neanderthals and Neanderthaloids), and the Upper Paleolithic (the blade tools of modern humans).
 
All I can tell you is that the researcher who tried to replicate the flintnapping that Neanderthal used spent some 18 months before he developed a comprehension of what technique they used. But when you refer to Cro-Magnon, amd 40,000 years ago, you are jumping up several tens of thousands of years. We're talking about as much as 200-250,000 years ago. Plus the use of dry distillation to manufacture an adhesive, rather than peeling pitch off a pine tree.
 
i donno,,,,but i think carlton heston, you know,,that rep. from the nra, said it best..


"GET YOUR FILITY HANDS OFF ME YOU DAMN, DIRTY APE!"

i dont think he likes them...
 
Oh bull, Charley kissed one of the apes. But we're not talking about 'Lucy', we're talking along the lines of Ahnood Gropinator.
 
Wahbooz said:
All I can tell you is that the researcher who tried to replicate the flintnapping that Neanderthal used spent some 18 months before he developed a comprehension of what technique they used. But when you refer to Cro-Magnon, amd 40,000 years ago, you are jumping up several tens of thousands of years. We're talking about as much as 200-250,000 years ago. Plus the use of dry distillation to manufacture an adhesive, rather than peeling pitch off a pine tree.
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Yeah, I used to do flint-knapping myself, back when I was a paleo-anthropology student (and a very good one). Wasn't so good at flint-knapping, though: it is very hard. I agree that this is a remarkable discovery about the technological capabilities of early Neanderthals. I agree that many people have underestimated the abilities of the Neanderthals. I have never had much doubt that they were capable of langugage; the FoxP2 gene findings didn't surprise me at all. I don't think any creatures without language would be able to create the level of technology that the Neanderthals had.
 
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