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Why do smarter, better educated, wealthier states tend to vote Democrat?

Arkady

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Why is it that states that are smarter, better educated, and wealthier, on average, are also more likely to be "blue states"? When it comes to wealth, at least, this seems at first blush to be a case of people voting against their own interests. Republicans favor policies (like tax-cutting and deregulation) that benefit the wealthy, while Democrats favor policies (like social spending and labor protections) that benefit the lower and middle classes. So we'd expect richer states to go for the Republicans, other things being equal. And yet that's definitively not the case.

For example, here are the top five states when it comes to median household income:

1) New Hampshire
2) Connecticut
3) Maryland
4) New Jersey
5) Massachusetts

Those all went for Obama in 2008 and are pretty much locks to go for him again in 2012. The only locks for Romney among the top ten richest states are Alaska and Utah, and they're ninth and tenth, respectively, in the list. Meanwhile the twelve poorest states in the union are all likely to go for Romney. In fact, a reasonable best guess is that among the states that are richer than the national average, around 19 of 25 will go for Obama (I've counted DC), and among those that are poorer than the national average, about 20 of 26 will go for Romney.

Measures of education and intelligence are less definitive, but similar trends show up. For example, NAEP (standard tests of reading and math given to all 8th-graders) scores can be roughly converted to IQ scores, and using those conversions the top 5 states for IQ are:

1) Massachusetts
2) New Jersey
3) Vermont
4) Minnesota
5) New Hampshire

All of those are virtual locks for Obama, while Romney will doubtless clean up at the bottom of the list.

In terms of education levels, similar trends emerge. If you look at a list of states by the percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree or better, you need to go all the way down to number 12 (Utah), to find a state that went for McCain:

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_bac_deg_or_hig_by_per-bachelor-s-degree-higher-percentage

In 2012, it's a good bet that Obama will take nine out of ten of the best-educated states (assuming Romney peels of either Virginia or Colorado, which both went blue in 2008), and that Romney will take ten out of ten of the least-educated states (though Obama could repeat his 2008 upset in North Carolina).

So, why is there this trend for smarter, better-educated, wealthier states to go blue? I'm asking this not to imply Obama supporters are smarter, more educated, and richer than Romney supporters. In fact, one of the most interesting things is that the stats within a given population often run counter to the stats across states. For example, even though richer states are more likely to vote for Obama, richer INDIVIDUALS are more likely to vote for Romney. It's not that having more money makes you more friendly to Obama -- if anything, it's the opposite. Rather, it's that living in a more prosperous SOCIETY makes you more likely to vote for Obama. Or, to put it the other way, being poor makes you more likely to vote for Obama, but living in a poor society makes you more likely to vote for Romney. I'm curious why.

I assume a lot of people will immediately reach for racial explanations. Those might make some sense given the big gap in racial distribution among the states. But I suspect that's not the core explanation. Our underclass happens to be black and Hispanic, for historical reasons, but it seems likely that even if the country were all-white you'd see similar statistical trends. As evidence, consider the tendency, internationally, for smarter, better educated, wealthier countries to be more liberal.

If you measure liberalism in terms of higher and more progressive taxes, a robust social safety net (e.g., universal healthcare), lots of regulation of business (labor and environmental standards), protection of women's rights, general suffrage, and a government commitment to secularism and pluralism, then nearly all the wealthiest nations in the world are more liberal than an average nation (with a handful of small exceptions, like Qatar and Kuwait). Even within a region, like Western Europe, you'll find that the more liberal countries tend to be the better-educated, wealthier ones, like those of Scandinavia, the Benelux countries, Switzerland, France, and Germany, while the more conservative countries, like the more religious and traditional countries of Southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, and Greece), also trail in terms of wealth and education. You could do similar comparisons within other regions -- for example, Qatar and Kuwait may be conservative by international standards, but they're more liberal than most Middle-Eastern countries, and also richer and better-educated than the most conservative nations of the region (like Afghanistan and Iran). So, there's more than just America's racial issues in the mix.

I've got a feeling it has something to do with fear. I suspect that when you have lots of poor and poorly educated people in a society, people are anxious, and they're comforted by reactionary visions, law-and-order posturing, and simple messages. When there's less poverty and ignorance, people are more receptive to a more liberal vision of what can be.
 
You mean why do only the states with a lock on the pie-in-the-sky effete liberals vote against the nation's best interests time after time? It's a mental condition I suppose. At least they are all penned up in known trouble spots and the rest of the nation can just work around them.
 
Chicken or the egg?

Is it undereducated states vote Republican...or is it Republican states cut spending on education and thus create an undereducated population, who Republicans can easily fool into voting for them?

:)
 
When you look at those areas on a map they look like pockets of contained infections. It's pretty neat.
 
with Texas boasting the lowest per-capita tax burden, with the average resident paying $1,368 to the state’s coffers

Read more: Which States Have the Lowest Overall Taxes Including Property Taxes? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7269481_states-taxes-including-property-taxes_.html#ixzz25bbxfTVW


Seems to me that epoepl would be smarter to live in an Republican state pay less in taxes and use that money to start a business...I cant remember who it was at the DNC poking fun at Romney for telling people to start a business...but if people were taxed less and they did have extra capital...they could afford to hire more people and maybe ODDummycrats would have to be explaining on Wednesday...day 2 of the conevention why they said 4.5 million jobs were created while not telling people that tghey lost 5 million( see CNN's reality check)
 
You mean why do only the states with a lock on the pie-in-the-sky effete liberals vote against the nation's best interests time after time? It's a mental condition I suppose. At least they are all penned up in known trouble spots and the rest of the nation can just work around them.

Let me know if you can think of anything worth sharing.
 
Read more: Which States Have the Lowest Overall Taxes Including Property Taxes? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7269481_states-taxes-including-property-taxes_.html#ixzz25bbxfTVW


Seems to me that epoepl would be smarter to live in an Republican state pay less in taxes and use that money to start a business...I cant remember who it was at the DNC poking fun at Romney for telling people to start a business...but if people were taxed less and they did have extra capital...they could afford to hire more people and maybe ODDummycrats would have to be explaining on Wednesday...day 2 of the conevention why they said 4.5 million jobs were created while not telling people that tghey lost 5 million( see CNN's reality check)

Drumcollie, have you ever thought about why it is that so many companies don't just relocate to red states to pay lower taxes? Why is it that the high-tax, high-cost San Francisco area is densely packed with world-beating companies like Apple and Google? Why are states like Massachusetts the breeding ground for the hottest companies, decade after decade? Why is liberal, tax-heavy New York City the headquarters of the financial industry, and lefty Connecticut the home of the insurance business? Why don't they all just pick up and move to low-tax, low-cost-of-living rural Oklahoma... or, better yet, some really low-tax, low-cost-of-living place in Africa?

It's largely about infrastructure and education. For the kinds of industries that pay well, you need knowledge workers (highly educated and creative people) and you need elite infrastructure. Those things don't just emerge fully formed from the free market, like Athena springing from Zeus's head. They're built by government. They come from having strong public schools and a cultural commitment to creativity and education. They come from investing in technology and quality infrastructure. And it also helps to have the kind of culture that attracts smart people..... pluralistic, secular culture, with middle- and high-brow entertainment. That's how places like the Northeast and Silicon Valley have been able to maintain their high-wage industries even in the face of Red America trying to undercut them with low labor prices and other costs. As much as Google might want to move their headquarters to the Deep South and pay a tenth as much for wages and land, they just wouldn't get the kinds of workers who make Google work, if they tried to do so.
 
Read more: Which States Have the Lowest Overall Taxes Including Property Taxes? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7269481_states-taxes-including-property-taxes_.html#ixzz25bbxfTVW


Seems to me that epoepl would be smarter to live in an Republican state pay less in taxes and use that money to start a business...I cant remember who it was at the DNC poking fun at Romney for telling people to start a business...but if people were taxed less and they did have extra capital...they could afford to hire more people and maybe ODDummycrats would have to be explaining on Wednesday...day 2 of the conevention why they said 4.5 million jobs were created while not telling people that tghey lost 5 million( see CNN's reality check)

LeRoy: It was Julian Castro who was mocking Mitt Rmoney for suggesting that young people simply borrow money from their parents to start a business. "Why didn't I think of that?" Julian asked. You see, his parents had no money to lend him. They were poor. Mitt never stopped to consider that possibility, probably because he has never been anywhere NEAR being poor. I would not have been able to borrow money from my parents to start a business, either. They were both dead by the time I was 23.
 
LeRoy: It was Julian Castro who was mocking Mitt Rmoney for suggesting that young people simply borrow money from their parents to start a business. "Why didn't I think of that?" Julian asked. You see, his parents had no money to lend him. They were poor. Mitt never stopped to consider that possibility, probably because he has never been anywhere NEAR being poor. I would not have been able to borrow money from my parents to start a business, either. They were both dead by the time I was 23.

It was Julian castro mocking..when he said 4.5 million jobs were created but not telling that 5 million were lost...castro lost all credibility last night when he became a shill for the democrats party and not a servant of the people...
 
http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/moneyinvesting/credit/debt/most-debt-ridden-states-america

The Most Debt-Ridden State: Massachusetts

2nd Most Debt-Ridden State: Alaska

3rd Most Debt-Ridden State: Rhode Island

4th Most Debt-Ridden State: Connecticut

5th Most Debt-Ridden State: Delaware

6th Most Debt-Ridden State: New Jersey

7th Most Debt-Ridden State: New Hampshire

8th Most Debt-Ridden State: New York

9th Most Debt-Ridden State: Vermont

10th Most Debt-Ridden State: Montana

and on the Other side.....

The Least Debt-Ridden State: Tennessee

2nd Least Debt-Ridden State: Georgia

3rd Least Debt-Ridden State: Texas

4th Least Debt-Ridden State: Arkansas

5th Least Debt-Ridden State: Nebraska

6th Least Debt-Ridden State: Arizona

7th Least Debt-Ridden State: Nevada

8th Least Debt-Ridden State: Alabama

9th Least Debt-Ridden State: Minnesota

10th Least Debt-Ridden State: Kansas


seems that for the point Arkady is making is making iw that poeple in Democrat states get taxed more...mismanage money more...certainly not the brightest...not the sharpest tool in the shed
 
So how many MORE years will Republicans need to "fix" Mississippi, Drum? A 1000?

ROFLMAO

At lot less than Democrats ...heck in the 1990's with the first Gpvernor that was Republican..the 13th ammendment was ratified and slaves were freed!
 
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