Wind up the war machine...

[Corruptbuddha]

.... 'cuz here it comes again.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/mi...ary-action-un-inspectors-vist-chemical-attack

Love these little tidbits:

Kerry referred to additional information on last Wednesday's attack.

Harf is asked what that additional information is. She says it's not just the videos.

"Part of that is open-source information. Part of it is the kind of intelligence we gather as part of determinations."

The AP's Matt Lee presses her to describe the information. Harf says "scientific information is clearly very important."

"I'm not gonna get into specifics."

Harf distinguishes between the US determination that chemical weapons have been used – that's "clear," she says – and the question of who used them – there's "very little doubt", she says.

"It's clear that chemical weapons were used," Harf says. "There's very little doubt that they were used by the regime.

"We also know that the regime has been determined to clear the opposition from this area."

Circumstantial evidence at best.

God I hate these war-mongering bastards.

 

[Caroljo]

So Bush was and is hated for going to Iraq....because Iraq was no threat to the United States. Now, Obama wants to attack Syria...and this is probably going to be ok with many on the left (because it's Obama doing it). Wonder what the differnce is??

 

[Barbella]

Leftist war mongers solidly behind it...

Incredible, isn't it? ?

 

[Corruptbuddha]

So Bush was and is hated for going to Iraq....because Iraq was no threat to the United States. Now, Obama wants to attack Syria...and this is probably going to be ok with many on the left (because it's Obama doing it). Wonder what the differnce is??

The only difference is the (D) behind the name.

Period.

 

[Jen]

So Bush was and is hated for going to Iraq....because Iraq was no threat to the United States. Now, Obama wants to attack Syria...and this is probably going to be ok with many on the left (because it's Obama doing it). Wonder what the differnce is??

Um yes. That's exactly how it is. And if/ when Obama sends our troops into Syria, and lives are lost............ there will be no outcry among the Leftists regarding "deaths" as there still is regarding Iraq and Bush when there is any single death here.

"Remarkable turn of events" (says brent bozelle) and indeed it is.

What's the end game?
What are we going to accomplish if we attack?
What threat does Assad make on the USA?

I would support assassination of Assad if it could be justified. Not sure, though, that it could be.

Our current foreign policy is pure crap.

 

[EatTheRich]

I see few on the PJ left behind it.

 

[marvin martian]

The best way to accurately predict Obama's actions is to simply look where the Muslim Brotherhood stands on the issue in question. In every conflict over which he has presided (in both of his terms thus far), he has sided with his Muslim Brotherhood in every case. If the MB wants an attack on Assad, Obama will attack Assad...meanwhile the left is blaming the Jews, but no one ever accused them of getting it right...

 

[Bo-4]

.... 'cuz here it comes again.God I hate these war-mongering bastards.

You and me both CB.

F 'em all and let 'em solve their own F-ing problems. Yes, any regime that gasses their own people disturbs me, but we can no longer police the M.E. clusterfuk.

 

[PhilFish]

You and me both CB.

F 'em all and let 'em solve their own F-ing problems. Yes, any regime that gasses their own people disturbs me, but we can no longer police the M.E. clusterfuk.

Police the clusterfuck..no. agreed. Bomb the piss out of some delivery sites. Yes.

 

[Bo-4]

The best way to accurately predict Obama's actions is to simply look where the Muslim Brotherhood stands on the issue in question. In every conflict over which he has presided (in both of his terms thus far), he has sided with his Muslim Brotherhood in every case. If the MB wants an attack on Assad, Obama will attack Assad...meanwhile the left is blaming the Jews, but no one ever accused them of getting it right...

Jake, you know i enjoy your ODS Phase VII and general insanity but this Mooslim Brotherhood crap is RW Ridiculousness. ;-)

 

[Bo-4]

Police the clusterfuck..no. agreed. Bomb the piss out of some delivery sites. Yes.

THEN what Phil.. rebuild the mess we make and apologize for the misses that kill dozens if not hundreds or thousands?

Again man, ENUF!!

 

[PhilFish]

You know its coming. Tonight. Tomorrow. Soon.

 

[Arkady]

So Bush was and is hated for going to Iraq....because Iraq was no threat to the United States. Now, Obama wants to attack Syria...and this is probably going to be ok with many on the left (because it's Obama doing it). Wonder what the differnce is??

There's hypocrisy on both sides here, but it's much worse among the conservatives. You'll find lots of liberals speaking out against this, but conservatives who spoke out against the Iraq War (before it was obvious what a disaster that war was) were practically non-existent.

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

No more friggin wars!!!! Stay the hell out of it!

 

[Caroljo]

There's hypocrisy on both sides here, but it's much worse among the conservatives. You'll find lots of liberals speaking out against this, but conservatives who spoke out against the Iraq War (before it was obvious what a disaster that war was) were practically non-existent.

Actually, I agree with you. Both sides are suffering from it! I can't say I was against Iraq...most probably for personal reasons, I have family involved, my son one. He's been there, it tore his heart to see how those people are living and how it's nothing for terrorists to murder their own. And I also understand how horrible it must be for the citizens in Syria losing their loved ones.

But I think what it is.....we learned a hard lesson with Iraq. We learned that you can't trust anyone, you can face someone and not know if they're carrying a bomb. It was a different kind of war. And it's not that many of the citizens in Iraq didn't appreciate what we were doing there, but we learned that nobody is going to change their way of life so we were basically losing what we went there for.

Now we see what happened there.....it's not going to be any different in Syria. And Obama making a decision on his own, without the UN or Congress, is going to be his big downfall! We had Allies in Iraq.....with this, we have Iran, Russia, China telling us to butt out. Russia has basically threatened him. Is Obama going to ignore this?

 

[Arkady]

Actually, I agree with you. Both sides are suffering from it! I can't say I was against Iraq...most probably for personal reasons, I have family involved, my son one. He's been there, it tore his heart to see how those people are living and how it's nothing for terrorists to murder their own. And I also understand how horrible it must be for the citizens in Syria losing their loved ones.

But I think what it is.....we learned a hard lesson with Iraq. We learned that you can't trust anyone, you can face someone and not know if they're carrying a bomb. It was a different kind of war. And it's not that many of the citizens in Iraq didn't appreciate what we were doing there, but we learned that nobody is going to change their way of life so we were basically losing what we went there for.

Now we see what happened there.....it's not going to be any different in Syria. And Obama making a decision on his own, without the UN or Congress, is going to be his big downfall! We had Allies in Iraq.....with this, we have Iran, Russia, China telling us to butt out. Russia has basically threatened him. Is Obama going to ignore this?

At the risk of sounding jaded, I doubt we learned much of anything in Iraq. It's not like it's the first war we've had where you could look someone in the face and not know they were carrying a bomb. My father fought in Vietnam. You never knew who the Viet Cong were -- you could be walking by a friendly looking little kid riding a water buffalo, and the next thing you know your buddy just got blown up by a hand grenade that kid threw. Did we learn that lesson? Well, maybe for a while. With nearly 60,000 of our boys killed there, and countless more maimed, it took us a generation to forget that lesson and stumble into a similar situation in Iraq. Iraq was a lot less deadly for us, so I don't expect the lesson to last even a generation this time. It already seems to have largely faded, even as we're still neck deep in the gore of Afghanistan. Obama, the one-time opponent of the Iraq War is now a hawkish president who got us involved in Libya, illegally, and seems perfectly willing to do the same in Syria.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

There's hypocrisy on both sides here, but it's much worse among the conservatives. You'll find lots of liberals speaking out against this, but conservatives who spoke out against the Iraq War (before it was obvious what a disaster that war was) were practically non-existent.

At least they learned their lesson in Iraq. That should make you happy.

 

[Caroljo]

At the risk of sounding jaded, I doubt we learned much of anything in Iraq. It's not like it's the first war we've had where you could look someone in the face and not know they were carrying a bomb. My father fought in Vietnam. You never knew who the Viet Cong were -- you could be walking by a friendly looking little kid riding a water buffalo, and the next thing you know your buddy just got blown up by a hand grenade that kid threw. Did we learn that lesson? Well, maybe for a while. With nearly 60,000 of our boys killed there, and countless more maimed, it took us a generation to forget that lesson and stumble into a similar situation in Iraq. Iraq was a lot less deadly for us, so I don't expect the lesson to last even a generation this time. It already seems to have largely faded, even as we're still neck deep in the gore of Afghanistan. Obama, the one-time opponent of the Iraq War is now a hawkish president who got us involved in Libya, illegally, and seems perfectly willing to do the same in Syria.

My husband was a Marine in Viet Nam....he joined, was not drafted, at 17. And yes, he told a few stories about kids carrying bombs. Pretty much like they do in the ME too. It was long enough ago that people have forgotten. Iraq is recent, and we all know how that turned out....a big waste of time and lives because people in the ME are NOT going to change their way of life no matter how much we try to help. My son (after 3 missions in Iraq) said we need to just let them all just kill eachother off. Now he's in Psy Ops...will be going on his 1st mission to Afghanistan in October. And I'm going to be a basket case for 6 months....how many of our soldiers now have been killed by the very people they're training? I'm really tired of it....

 

[squareshot]

Actually, I agree with you. Both sides are suffering from it! I can't say I was against Iraq...most probably for personal reasons, I have family involved, my son one. He's been there, it tore his heart to see how those people are living and how it's nothing for terrorists to murder their own. And I also understand how horrible it must be for the citizens in Syria losing their loved ones.

But I think what it is.....we learned a hard lesson with Iraq. We learned that you can't trust anyone, you can face someone and not know if they're carrying a bomb. It was a different kind of war. And it's not that many of the citizens in Iraq didn't appreciate what we were doing there, but we learned that nobody is going to change their way of life so we were basically losing what we went there for.

Now we see what happened there.....it's not going to be any different in Syria. And Obama making a decision on his own, without the UN or Congress, is going to be his big downfall! We had Allies in Iraq.....with this, we have Iran, Russia, China telling us to butt out. Russia has basically threatened him. Is Obama going to ignore this?

Do you think Russia's threat is military, or just some more rhetoric.

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

My husband was a Marine in Viet Nam....he joined, was not drafted, at 17. And yes, he told a few stories about kids carrying bombs. Pretty much like they do in the ME too. It was long enough ago that people have forgotten. Iraq is recent, and we all know how that turned out....a big waste of time and lives because people in the ME are NOT going to change their way of life no matter how much we try to help. My son (after 3 missions in Iraq) said we need to just let them all just kill each other off. Now he's in Psy Ops...will be going on his 1st mission to Afghanistan in October. And I'm going to be a basket case for 6 months....how many of our soldiers now have been killed by the very people they're training? I'm really tired of it....

From one Marine to another thank him and Semper Fi, and thank you for being there with and for him it means the world to a Marine knowing he has someone like you there... I know.

And We need to stay the hell out of the M.E!