Wonky but worth the read...

[Raoul_Luke]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/are-we-all-unconscious-racists-15487.html

We are all racists, now. If you buy the lefty navel gazers' artfully crafted "scientific" studies, anyway. Of course "implicit racism" is the construct of the SOCIAL sciences, which (lets face it) isn't, well, scientific, at all. It is based on statistical analyses of a very subjective "test" that measures your ability to switch between good and bad connotations when they are associated with racial differences. Or something like that, anyway. It's bullshit on its face. And the fact that the leftist elites are embracing such bullshit as "proof" of something as existentially damaging to society as the indicting of every single person, even progressives, as inherently and even "unknowingly" racist, is about all you need to know to understand that these aren't your daddy's progressives. These are the radical subversive bomb throwers of the sixties all grown up, wrapping themselves in lab coats and lobbing ideological neutron bombs into the heart of the societal norms of the entire developed world.

Fortunately, there's people like Heather MacDonald who go to incredible effort to deconstruct these communist (literal) mind games, using actual real world statistics, instead of phonied up psychological "tests," to illustrate how their navel gazings bear no semblance to actual real world conditions. It's a long read, but an almost required one for those who want to understand how shaky the foundation is under this progressive effort, and to be able to counter their specious arguments for placing in the hands of bureaucratic high priests the power to address our "original sin" of implicit racism. It is plain and simple a naked power grab for government control of EVERYTHING, so as to effectively address society's "failure" to wash itself clean of deep seated (so deep seated that you don't even know you have it) racist "aggression."

This is (deadly) serious stuff, if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids. These lefty elite navel gazers seek nothing less than the power of mind control over each and every one of us. Don't let it happen on our watch, I implore you...

 

[georgephillip]

This is (deadly) serious stuff, if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids. These lefty elite navel gazers seek nothing less than the power of mind control over each and every one of us. Don't let it happen on our watch, I implore you...

I'm in the process of reading your link right how; however, I would like to point out this was the America I grew up in...

and I would not want to inflict this deadly stuff on future generations.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

I'm in the process of reading your link right how; however, I would like to point out this was the America I grew up in...

and I would not want to inflict this deadly stuff on future generations.

Reminder: the year is 2017.

I'm right behind you. I still remember when I was very young, I remember my older sister telling me not to drink from a certain drinking fountain because that's where colored people drank. I don't remember seeing a sign and doubt one was there. I always wondered where she got that from. My parents never talked like that and our best friends were black people. I'm guessing that was somewhere around 1969.

 

[georgephillip]

Reminder: the year is 2017.

I'm right behind you. I still remember when I lived in Pomona, my older sister telling me not to drink from a certain drinking fountain because that's where colored people drank. I don't remember seeing a sign and doubt one was there. I always wondered where she got that from. My parents never talked like that and our best friends were black people. I'm guessing that was somewhere around 1969.

My mom and dad remembered signs reading "no dogs or Mexicans allowed" posted on the doors or windows of southern California businesses during the 1930s. Those were examples of explicit racism which isn't the same as the implicit version being written about in RL's link:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/are-we-all-unconscious-racists-15487.html

"But though proponents refer to IAT (implicit asssociation test) research as 'science'—or, in Kang’s words, 'remarkable,' 'jaw-dropping' science—their claims about its social significance leapfrogged ahead of scientific validation.

"There is hardly an aspect of IAT doctrine that is not now under methodological challenge.

"Any social-psychological instrument must pass two tests to be considered accurate: reliability and validity.

"A psychological instrument is reliable if the same test subject, taking the test at different times, achieves roughly the same score each time.

"But IAT bias scores have a lower rate of consistency than is deemed acceptable for use in the real world—a subject could be rated with a high degree of implicit bias on one taking of the IAT and a low or moderate degree the next time around.

"A recent estimate puts the reliability of the race IAT at half of what is considered usable. No evidence exists, in other words, that the IAT reliably measures anything stable in the test-taker."

 

[Raoul_Luke]

I'm in the process of reading your link right how; however, I would like to point out this was the America I grew up in...

and I would not want to inflict this deadly stuff on future generations.

When was the last time you saw any of that in America? Exactly - not in the last 50 years. I'm not talking about unequal treatment here, and that's not the problem this "implicit racism" bullshit is looking to "solve." It's looking to "solve" unequal outcomes, as is made abundantly clear in MacDonald's piece. It is obviously designed to send us down a path where the mere denial of racism will be enough to "prove" racism. It's the Salem witch trials all over again. If you deny the charge, you are deemed guilty.

And that, dear readers, is cultural Marxism on steroids...

 

[Deleted member 21794]

When was the last time you saw any of that in America? Exactly - not in the last 50 years. I'm not talking about unequal treatment here, and that's not the problem this "implicit racism" bullshit is looking to "solve." It's looking to "solve" unequal outcomes, as is made abundantly clear in MacDonald's piece. It is obviously designed to send us down a path where the mere denial of racism will be enough to "prove" racism. It's the Salem witch trials all over again. If you deny the charge, you are deemed guilty.

And that, dear readers, is cultural Marxism on steroids...

I think when we have gotten to the point of microaggression, peanut butter sandwiches being racist and cultural appropriation being issues, we are basically having trouble finding real, actual racism.

We also keep hearing about police shooting unarmed black men. Someone posted the numbers from recent years. The highest in a year was 36. Every life matters. But focusing on police shootings is like complaining your kitchen faucet is leaking as a torrential downpour is washing your house off its foundation.

 

[Queen Titania]

I'm in the process of reading your link right how; however, I would like to point out this was the America I grew up in...

and I would not want to inflict this deadly stuff on future generations.

Once upon a time .............. we flayed vagrants alive if they were found in the same place 3 times. Once upon a time ...................

You do not believe in evolution obviously. You do not believe in peace between men. You believe that because it was so once it is always so .............. by that yard stick we all still live in caves ............... so say the regressives....... and so it shall be if they have their way.

 

[Craig]

When was the last time you saw any of that in America? Exactly - not in the last 50 years. I'm not talking about unequal treatment here, and that's not the problem this "implicit racism" bullshit is looking to "solve." It's looking to "solve" unequal outcomes, as is made abundantly clear in MacDonald's piece. It is obviously designed to send us down a path where the mere denial of racism will be enough to "prove" racism. It's the Salem witch trials all over again. If you deny the charge, you are deemed guilty.

And that, dear readers, is cultural Marxism on steroids...

The point being...you said you want the America "we grew up in". And those signs are part of that America.

We "grew up" under McCarthyism. We "grew up" under Jim Crow. We grew up with "coloreds" unable to eat at the same counter or drink from the same water fountain. No...I have zero interest in having the "America we grew up under" being re-instituted.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

The point being...you said you want the America "we grew up in". And those signs are part of that America.

We "grew up" under McCarthyism. We "grew up" under Jim Crow. We grew up with "coloreds" unable to eat at the same counter or drink from the same water fountain. No...I have zero interest in having the "America we grew up under" being re-instituted.

Obviously. Who said anything about going back to Jim Crow? Who said anything about going back at all? I'm referring to the CURRENT America we grew up in - the constitutional meritocracy replete with guaranteed freedom and liberty (from these kinds of big brotherish progroms), as opposed to the "fundamentally transformed" one President Obama ominously alluded to where progressive government bureaucrats can label us effectively as "defective" for thoughts that they admit aren't even cognizant.

All I'm talking about is the commitment to freedom and free markets that made us the greatest nation on earth, as opposed to one where government bureaucrats interrogate you about thought crimes, and if you deny them, you can be sent to the "re-education camp." This is serious stuff, and if you people persist in this subversive effort to overthrow the constitutional protections we enjoy against these kinds of Marxist ideological persecutions, you better be willing to die for it, because we sure are.

 

[Craig]

Obviously. Who said anything about going back to Jim Crow? Who said anything about going back at all? I'm referring to the CURRENT America we grew up in - the constitutional meritocracy replete with guaranteed freedom and liberty (from these kinds of big brotherish progroms), as opposed to the "fundamentally transformed" one President Obama ominously alluded to where progressive government bureaucrats can label us effectively as "defective" for thoughts that they admit aren't even cognizant.

All I'm talking about is the commitment to freedom and free markets that made us the greatest nation on earth, as opposed to one where government bureaucrats interrogate you about thought crimes, and if you deny them, you can be sent to the "re-education camp." This is serious stuff, and if you people persist in this subversive effort to overthrow the constitutional protections we enjoy against these kinds of Marxist ideological persecutions, you better be willing to die for it, because we sure are.

if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

I did not grow up in the current era. Really.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Obviously. Who said anything about going back to Jim Crow? Who said anything about going back at all? I'm referring to the CURRENT America we grew up in - the constitutional meritocracy replete with guaranteed freedom and liberty (from these kinds of big brotherish progroms), as opposed to the "fundamentally transformed" one President Obama ominously alluded to where progressive government bureaucrats can label us effectively as "defective" for thoughts that they admit aren't even cognizant.

All I'm talking about is the commitment to freedom and free markets that made us the greatest nation on earth, as opposed to one where government bureaucrats interrogate you about thought crimes, and if you deny them, you can be sent to the "re-education camp." This is serious stuff, and if you people persist in this subversive effort to overthrow the constitutional protections we enjoy against these kinds of Marxist ideological persecutions, you better be willing to die for it, because we sure are.

Funny how leftists always default to what's wrong, or used to be wrong, with America.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

I did not grow up in the current era. Really.

Where did I say anything about any "era?" Look around you - THIS is the America we grew up in. Not the one Obama dog whistled about to the Marxists, that uses ideological purity tests like acceptance of our "implicit racism" as justification for legislated equal outcomes.

 

[Craig]

Where did I say anything about any "era?" Look around you - THIS is the America we grew up in. Not the one Obama dog whistled about to the Marxists, that uses ideological purity tests like acceptance of our "implicit racism" as justification for legislated equal outcomes.

Right here, for god's sake...

if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

No...this is NOT the America I grew up in. I grew up in the America we're telling you about. The same America you grew up in.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Funny how leftists always default to what's wrong, or used to be wrong, with America.

As if any of that was an essential part of American society back then. What's really comical is how the repressive aspects of America's future that is implied in this sort of persecution of non-progressive ideology is not in any way different from those discriminatory practices they cite as evidence of the American past that they hate.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Right here, for god's sake...

if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

No...this is NOT the America I grew up in. I grew up in the America we're telling you about. The same America you grew up in.

Again, no where did I say anything about going back to some prior version of America. I'm talking about THIS America - the one we grew up in, rather than the "fundamentally transformed" America this sort of cultural Marxism portends (and which I believe Obama was "dog whistling" about). Why don't you try defending the concept of "implicit racism" instead of mis-stating my argument in this obtuse rhetorical tantrum.

 

[Craig]

As if any of that was an essential part of American society back then. What's really comical is how the repressive aspects of America's future that is implied in this sort of persecution of non-progressive ideology is not in any way different from those discriminatory practices they cite as evidence of the American past that they hate.

Essential? Absolutely not. It was awful. It was terrible.

You hate the American present. I hate the discrimination evident in the American past, the past in which I grew up.

Again, no where did I say anything about going back to some prior version of America. I'm talking about THIS America - the one we grew up in, rather than the "fundamentally transformed" America this sort of cultural Marxism portends (and which I believe Obama was "dog whistling" about). Why don't you try defending the concept of "implicit racism" instead of mis-stating my argument in this obtuse rhetorical tantrum.

And I keep telling YOU...I "grew up" in a different America than the one today. Maybe it's your choice of words that is the issue.

if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

I do not want that America. I want a better America.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Essential? Absolutely not. It was awful. It was terrible.

You hate the American present. I hate the discrimination evident in the American past, the past in which I grew up.



And I keep telling YOU...I "grew up" in a different America than the one today. Maybe it's your choice of words that is the issue.

if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

I do not want that America. I want a better America.

Again, in context, where I was specifically alluding to a dystopian American future, where denial of your "implicit racism" is used to label you "defective," the "America we grew up in" is the one we have now. You can pretend I was suggesting something else, like maybe that I was subconsciously signaling that I want to return to openly racist public policies, but then you will simply be supporting my case that you progressives are asserting the right to determine what we think and (presumably) persecute us for it.

 

[Craig]

Again, in context, where I was specifically alluding to a dystopian American future, where denial of your "implicit racism" is used to label you "defective," the "America we grew up in" is the one we have now. You can pretend I was suggesting something else, like maybe that I was subconsciously signaling that I want to return to openly racist public policies, but then you will simply be supporting my case that you progressives are asserting the right to determine what we think and (presumably) persecute us for it.

All I can do is read the words you write.

...if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

I do not want that nation, the "America we grew up in", nor do I want your dystopian nation. I want a better nation. This is not the nation I grew up in, as I explained. That was a discriminatory, polluting, nation that was not close to living up to its ideals and stated constitutional tasks. We have begun to get better through the actions of people you despise...but now we have a backwards thinking moron in charge. Talk about dystopian.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

All I can do is read the words you write.

...if you want the America we grew up in to be there for your kids and grand kids.

I do not want that nation, the "America we grew up in", nor do I want your dystopian nation. I want a better nation. This is not the nation I grew up in, as I explained. That was a discriminatory, polluting, nation that was not close to living up to its ideals and stated constitutional tasks. We have begun to get better through the actions of people you despise...but now we have a backwards thinking moron in charge. Talk about dystopian.

Then start your own thread about what you believe I meant, and in your thread you can even suggest that I should be persecuted for what I didn't actually say, because perhaps I didn't realize that my "implicit racism" obviously implied a tacit endorsement of overt racist public policies and behavior. Sheesh!

If you want to continue this discussion, please keep your interpretations of what I said to, well, what I said. And at least in some tangential way related to the context in which I said it.

 

[Craig]

Then start your own thread about what you believe I meant, and in your thread you can even suggest that I should be persecuted for what I didn't actually say, because perhaps I didn't realize that my "implicit racism" obviously implied a tacit endorsement of overt racist public policies and behavior. Sheesh!

If you want to continue this discussion, please keep your interpretations of what I said to, well, what I said. And at least in some tangential way related to the context in which I said it.

Absurd. I will discuss your thread in your thread, giving you my opinions about it. I have repeatedly posted your words and explained why I find them atrocious.

While we all have biases, as I read deeply into that article, it became clear...it's merely a way to register why one should have not implicit, but explicit bias. In every case, the examples show blacks to be inferior.