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Yep, gonna ask again til I get an answer.

fxstc

fxstc

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I was ridiculed, told I was imagining, ask to show links, on a post where I said doctors would be required to ask patients if they owned guns and that data banks would hold that info..

First this
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

In case you dont know, that is one of the executive orders in the works.
So, lets use some logic.
As far as data banks, or collection of this data, what good is that data if not shared?
Do you believe doctors would ask such a question to satisfy their own curiosities?
So the question is, how is/would such data be stored?
Logically, in a data bank, and probably that bank would be located at the CDC.
And NOT for a doctors curiousity, but rather to take action against innocent gun owners.
Thanks for listening again.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
You are apparently having a very difficult time distinguishing between 'requiring' vs 'not prohibiting'.
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Nope, no problem at all.
But then again, he could have said this,

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
 
fxstc said:
Nope, no problem at all.
But then again, he could have said this,

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
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FAIL. You fail to answer the very simple question: WHY would we want to do that?????
 
fxstc said:
Nope, no problem at all.
But then again, he could have said this,

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
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As a matter of fact, if it has no significance, why have an exec order in regards to it.

I mean he could have just as easily have said, we wont stop doctors asking if you own a cow.
 
Because Congress has imposed a gag order on MDs before. Again, you ask a strawman question and are surprised when you get called on it?
 
fxstc said:
I gont know why, the point is its there as an excutive orderAsk Obama why he put it there.
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Damn, this is sheer stupidity. I am asking YOU why we would want to prohibit doctors from asking patients VERY relevant questions regarding the health situation in their households.

It would be, in fact, an unconstitutional infringement on the free speech rights of our medical professionals. Not that you care about the First Amendment.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
Damn, this is sheer stupidity. I am asking YOU why we would want to prohibit doctors from asking patients VERY relevant questions regarding the health situation in their households.

It would be, in fact, an unconstitutional infringement on the free speech rights of our medical professionals. Not that you care about the First Amendment.
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You are missing the point.

I am asking YOU why we would want to prohibit doctors from asking patients VERY relevant questions regarding the health situation in their households.

I dont want doctors prohibited from asking these type questions.

What I dont want is data banks with that info.
Its no ones business if I go in with a cold, and the doctor wants to know whether I own a gun or not.
It also tweaks the doctor/patient priviledge
 
fxstc said:
You are missing the point.

I am asking YOU why we would want to prohibit doctors from asking patients VERY relevant questions regarding the health situation in their households.

I dont want doctors prohibited from asking these type questions.

What I dont want is data banks with that info.
Its no ones business if I go in with a cold, and the doctor wants to know whether I own a gun or not.
It also tweaks the doctor/patient priviledge
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Sheesh. Go back and read your own top-post. You are one seriously confused individual.
 
The NRA doesn't want MDs collecting that sort of information because a while back the AMA did a study on households with firearms and admissions to ERs for treatment of violent injury. And the numbers were pretty bad (5x increase of risk of violent injury if you have a firearm in the house). So the NRA basically got its pet conservatives to prevent MDs that take medicare payments (most) from asking such questions
 
BTW, here's a scenario for you.

You go in to see the doctor with a cold, and tell him, "Hey, doc, I've had this cold for going on two weeks, and I'm just miserable! If I can't get over this cold, I'm gonna be tempted to shoot myself!"

And the doctor says, "Do you actually have a gun in your house?"

And you say, "Why, that's an OUTRAGEOUS question!!! You have no RIGHT to ask that question! I'm gonna sue your bloody ass off!!!"

Only in Winger World.
 
Answer this then

What if one of the exe orders read as follows,

Doctors will not be prohibited to ask if you believe in God?

Does that have any relevance to anyone, any where?

Of course not.
Neither does asking a patient whether there are guns in the house.


UNLESS,
UNLESS,

Unless what Leroy?

If you cannot answer that. I would be happy to.
 
fxstc said:
Answer this then

What if one of the exe orders read as follows,

Doctors will not be prohibited to ask if you believe in God?

Does that have any relevance to anyone, any where?

Of course not.
Neither does asking a patient whether there are guns in the house.


UNLESS,
UNLESS,

Unless what Leroy?

If you cannot answer that. I would be happy to.
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It wouldn't bother me if a doctor wants to ask his patients whether or not they believe in God, though it doesn't have much if any medical relevance. You see, I believe that doctors have free speech rights, and you evidently don't.

In contrast, the question as to whether patients have a gun in their home has very large medical relevance. As has been pointed out in this thread by others.

That's the point you're not getting.
 
Leroy, you need to remember the studies the AMA did on sources of violent injury and handguns from about 12-15 years ago. The NRA hated this and so you got riders in regulations that applied to MDs that take Medicare or Medicaid. Essentiially gag orders. The executive orders overturn those gag orders
 
degsme said:
The NRA doesn't want MDs collecting that sort of information because a while back the AMA did a study on households with firearms and admissions to ERs for treatment of violent injury. And the numbers were pretty bad (5x increase of risk of violent injury if you have a firearm in the house). So the NRA basically got its pet conservatives to prevent MDs that take medicare payments (most) from asking such questions
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Thank you, Finally got an answer.
 
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