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10 states highest gun-related deaths

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by JuliefromOhio, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    i'm willing to wager that the following cities have VASTLY more gun deaths (per capita) than any of the states you listed:

    Detroit
    Los Angeles
    Chicago
    New York
    Philadelphia
    Cleveland

    but nice cut and paste. this "10 state thing" keeps getting released on the web, and whenever it does, it manages to find a few more uninformed parrots.
     
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  3. Max R.

    Max R. On the road Supporting Member

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    Most websites which dance around the anti-gun view conflate homicides with suicides to fluff up the numbers. At least this website is upfront about doing so. Who here really thinks banning guns will stop suicides?

    1. Alaska
    2013 firearm death rate: 19.6 per 100,000
    Total firearm deaths 2004-2013: 1,256 (10th lowest)
    Violent crime rate: 640.4 (the highest)
    Permit required to buy handgun: No
    There were roughly 20 firearm deaths per 100,000 residents in Alaska, nearly double the national rate. As in many other states with high gun-death rates, the vast majority of deaths were the result of suicide.
     
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    I would be interested to see someone do some research and find out what percentage of the people who receive gunshot wounds in this country are actually innocents. By that I mean, how many of the people who get shot are not people involved in a criminal lifestyle? What percentage? That would be an interesting study.
     
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  5. Arkady

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    The world over, and throughout history, urban areas have had elevated crime rates. It's just the nature of living in densely populated areas, where there is more social friction from all those additional social interactions. So, the general trend will be for most cities you list to have higher gun death rates, or any violent crime rates, than states as a whole.

    That said, the numbers may surprise you for some of these. New York City had just 328 homicides in 2014. The murder rate was 4.0:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

    That's less murder than all but two of the listed states.

    I don't know what the total "gun related death" numbers are, but I'd expect New York to be even lower, in those terms, relative to the listed states, given New York City's very low rate of suicide (half the national average), and the likelihood of fewer accidental shootings in an area where there isn't any hunting. In NYC there are 6 suicides per 100,000. By comparison, Alaska has a rate of 21.8 per 100,000!
     
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  6. Arkady

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    Banning guns wouldn't completely stop suicides any more that it would completely stop homicides. But it would almost certainly push suicide rates down. If you look at age-adjusted suicide rates, they're highest in:

    WY, AK, MN, NM, UT, CO, ID, NV, OR, and OK. They're lowest in NJ, NY, MA, RI, MD, IL, CT, CA, GA, and TX.

    Now look at gun ownership by state:

    http://usliberals.about.com/od/Elec...s-As-Percentage-Of-Each-States-Population.htm

    You'll see that in the states with the highest gun ownership, the top three are identical to the top three for age-adjusted suicide. Every one of the high suicide states is in the category of extremely high, high, or median gun ownership. At the other end, of the ten low-suicide states, eight have below-median gun ownership, one median, and only one high (none are "extremely high").

    Is this correlation between high gun ownership and high suicide a coincidence? I don't think so. There may be multiple factors there, but the guns themselves almost certainly factor in. When you have a gun on hand, even a moment's suicidal impulse is enough to end your life, with a very high degree of certainty. If your depression passes the threshold of "suicidal" for even a few seconds, it's enough to grab the gun, aim it, and pull the trigger, and it's all over. By comparison, to kill yourself when there isn't a gun nearby, your depression has to be beyond that suicidal threshold for longer -- the time needed to walk to a bridge and jump off, the time needed to sit in a running car parked in the garage until you fall asleep, the time for the pills you swallowed to absorb into your system before you call for help, etc. There is more time to reconsider. And with some methods, there's also the shock of pain to change your mind, and the possibility of failing and then deciding not to try again. Guns make suicide very quick, very convenient, and quite certain. And so it's only sensible to think that policies that lower gun ownership will tend to drive down suicide rates, other things being equal.

    Of course, other things aren't equal. There are lots of factors to consider. For example, higher-latitude places tend to have higher suicide rates (explaining Alaska and Montana), and certain cultures have more of an affinity for suicide (e.g., certain shame-based Asian cultures). So, I'm not suggesting a one-to-one correlation between suicide and guns. But I am saying that when you pursue policies that put more guns in the mix, you should expect higher suicide rates, and that this is rightly a matter to consider when deciding the issue of gun control.
     
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    Would you consider suicides to be innocents?
     
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  8. JuliefromOhio

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    wager? offer some proof of your claim.
     
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  9. JuliefromOhio

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    suicide by gun = gun-related death.
     
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    you think the "criminal lifestyle" is high in those red states? LOL
     
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    MrMike I own you....

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    Wonder what flag caused all those shootings in Chicago?

    Chicago shooting victims
    Last updated July 2, 2015
    The map below shows where people were shot in Chicago, broken down by community area. Darker shades of blue indicate greater numbers of victims in those community areas.

    This data is compiled from reporting done by the Chicago Tribune Breaking News staff and is updated approximately once per month. Therefore, the most recent shootings may not be displayed immediately.

    YEARLY TOTALS
    JAN. 1, 2015 - JULY 2, 2015
    1,269

    shooting victims

    JAN. 1, 2014 - DEC. 31, 2014
    2,589

    shooting victims

    MONTHLY TOTALS • 2015 • 2014

    WHERE SHOOTINGS OCCUR IN CHICAGO SINCE JAN. 1, 2014

    http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

     
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    they didn't GET shot
    they shot THEMSRLVES
    NO CIGAR FOR YOU
     
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    AMERICA #1 in world of gun ownership
    111th in GUN deaths

    already posted link and stats
     
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    Drumcollie Ending Racism with or without Hillary

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    better check again...those are democratic states...look at the list of governors...just because people from the east coast moved in and voted Republican doesn't change what these states have been
     
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    Btw can anyone name those advanced nations Obama was talking about that don't do mass murders?
     
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    Yes
     
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