BobbyT
Governor
i didn't say we need more control than we have. just that we need control.
Lefties............this is YOU
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My beliefs are the same as those you stated here, Bobby.
Although those beliefs are pretty centrist/ mainstream, many Leftists go a lot further on both than you do. That was what I was stating.
Two Leftists here disagree with mainstream Leftists.
I see no reason to take back my post based on just two that disagree.
I disagree with conservative opinion on abortion (I believe it should be legal until viability of the baby) but if someone posts that Conservatives are anti legal abortion 100% of the time I don't demand they retract the statement simply because I, one person, disagrees.
And your "honorable" threat.............. it's obvious you just don't like me......so why would you think I would care if you don't think I'm honorable because I won't obey your edict? I don't care. Think it.
marvin martian
Emperor
I know you have a hard time, morally, being specific here, but how many days of life after birth would convince you not to kill that child? Are you willing to commit to a number?
Caroljo
Senator
Did I say two people? Nope, didn't mention a number. I don't expect you to believe it, but it's the truth.
And I really don't care any longer about Annenberg.......if you're after me to give in, you're wasting your time. We won't agree, so just drop it.
Yes, you said 2 people...
The reason I bother you about Annenberg is because you are wrong and refuse to admit it.
Caroljo
Senator
Dr's have often been wrong.........there's always hope, and prayer does wonders (for believers).
Caroljo
Senator
Ok...I apologize, I did say 2 people. I was speaking about the other board that they were on. I didn't go on to say there have been others too (but not on that board). Besides, if there are 2 on one messageboard that think that way, you have to know there's more. They wouldn't be the only 2 in the world.
Ok...I accept your apology.
No one said it was the only two...but you said it was two. Two here have shown you a different outlook and opinion. So you know more that two "leftists" disagree with the flat out wrongness that "leftists" believe in abortion at anytime...including during labor.
I find it completely ridiculous that anyone seriously believes an abortion is a realistic choice during labor...which is what two minutes prior to birth is.
BobbyT
Governor
Not for someone else, no.
Caroljo
Senator
It IS hard to believe....so I don't blame you there. I know not all leftsts agree with that. I'm sure there are very few that do. But then we have these crazy from one extreme to another, on both sides. I just don't know of any conservatives that think THAT way.
marvin martian
Emperor
I'm only asking you to speak for yourself. How many days would a child have to live after birth to avoid being killed before birth?
BobbyT
Governor
I don't know. I can't answer that question unless I'm actually in the situation. I would certainly not presume to know for someone else.
Not imaginary people, Craig. It goes this way. A post goes up about someone who did something irresponsible or violent with a gun. Then there's some opining about how stricter gun laws would prevent these incidents.
Then those of us who say law abiding gun owners are not to blame and shouldn't bear the responsibility for those who arent' ar called "NRA Gun Nuts", etc...And questioned about whether or not we care that someone died senselessly.
Second and third trimester abortions often include labor and birth.
Two things.....
My best friend's daughter just had a baby the beginning of this past October, at 23 1/2 weeks along. He was not viable, not on his own. He remained in NICU until about two weeks ago. He will come home from the hospital sometime next week. He required a lot of special care to help him along for awhile. Little by little, he grew bigger and stronger. One by one the tubes and the IV's and the daily blood tests became unnecessary. Now he's just like all the other babies in the nursery. Six pounds now. When she had him, he was the big bruiser in NICU at 2 lbs As a matter of fact, a baby who weighed 14 ounces had been born that same day. That baby is also very much alive today.
But there are plenty of abortion clinics out there who advertise up to 24, 26, 28 weeks, and even then, the clinics [Unwelcome language removed] gestational age when the mother has passed the cut off but wants the abortion. Huffpo just ran a story a few weeks ago written by a woman who wanted to talk about the completely positive experience she had at the clinic when she aborted. I was thrilled to read it because she inadvertently admitted that the clinic "worked with her" on the gestational age of the child they were killing at her request.
My friend's grandson could have been aborted the day before he was born if that's what his mother had wanted.
Viability as it's used in the way you're using it means nothing. No one can survive as a newborn outside the womb without some kind of help and intervention, and care. Some babies simply require more of these things than others. But it doesn't make them less human or less worthy of life than those who require less care.
All in all, though, I'm glad when someone who is prochoice at least takes the position you do. Believing that there should be a "cut off" for abortion speaks to an understanding that these are human beings being terminated.
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How many days constitute a whole life? And who gave you the authority to decide?
Yes...imaginary...
This is the post to which I was responding...
Leftists.
I thought it was clear.
The supporting of taking guns away from law-abiding gun owners pushed by Leftists is what is being talked about here..
