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MEAN GIRLS

Minotaur said:
Funny thing is if we all stuck to discussing issues instead of each other "we" would not become the issue. When we act mean, we actually are mean. When we don't, we're not. I don't use the labels because at any given time, given the right circumstances, anyone can earn that name. Instead I read the content of the post like you just posted and decide that it is time for me to either call you a label name or debate you and I don't like labels. If I debate you there are so many wrong-thinking, man-thoughts dripping from it that I'd be here all day. So I have a choice to make. What will I do? Upon reflection on the basic overall mass of the man-thoughts I'll leave you with this:

BITCH

;)
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That is a word I hate....there is no other group that uses a pejorative about themselves and allows others to use it too.
 
Minotaur said:
Funny thing is if we all stuck to discussing issues instead of each other "we" would not become the issue. When we act mean, we actually are mean. When we don't, we're not. I don't use the labels because at any given time, given the right circumstances, anyone can earn that name. Instead I read the content of the post like you just posted and decide that it is time for me to either call you a label name or debate you and I don't like labels. If I debate you there are so many wrong-thinking, man-thoughts dripping from it that I'd be here all day. So I have a choice to make. What will I do? Upon reflection on the basic overall mass of the man-thoughts I'll leave you with this:

BITCH

;)
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That is a word I hate....there is no other group that uses a pejorative about themselves and allows others to use it too.
 
RickWA said:
PJ is a fine hodgepodge of easy going contributors, self-congratulatory blowhards who confuse volumes of verbose fluffery for thoughtful content, soul-less party operatives with effectively no free will of their own, and - frankly - several nutcases. A couple of these loons are wild-eyed loons with no filter. Some are strangely unable to contain or organize their often paranoid, and usually monolithic rant topics. One is oddly protected and mothered by a cadre of folks who have apparently gathered elsewhere and agreed to shelter/rescue when in "cyber trouble". One big, happy family.
But "mean"? That's just one more trait selectively observed through the lens of party affiliation. It's less about content or character than it is political utility.
BTW: why is it mean "girls"? Are boys allowed the full menu of posting tone while females must remain restrained by special rules?
There's plenty of grumpiness around these parts. Let's get a better terminology going. Apparently forsaking concerns about perceptions of sexism...How about "Bitter Broads"? "Surly Skirts"? "Dastardly Dames"?
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Sometimes all it takes to be labeled a "mean girl" is someone (that's a girl) is able to post a pithy retort to an insult. So maybe we should add "Bantering Bi uhhh ........ " uh......no.......that would probably not be a good idea after all. Never mind.
 
Bo-4 said:
It started because it suits them (not that the look anything like this mind ya ;-)

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Nah. They look way better than these girls.
(and I know I'm considered a "mean girl", but I'm the plain looking one).
 
drivebyheckler said:
Excellent summary, Rick. I fully concur. Now I suspect "mean" comes from several things, mostly related to distorted views liberals have.


They'd say it's "mean" to propose that a person feeding themselves via food stamps should use food stamps for actual nutrition and not empty calories like chips, soda, etc. I would say if a person can afford wasting money on chips and soda, then they really don't need food stamps. But no, that's "mean". It's not "mean" to tack that debt onto people not even born yet, but it's "mean" to expect mooches to spend other peoples' money wisely.

Of course, that is just one example of "mean". To a liberal, basically "mean" is expecting able people to be productive members of society. Of course, I could go on with many examples, but really why bother.
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There are two kinds of people, driveby, one kind that prefers to organize their lives and take care of themselves without a lot of interference and another kind that wants to be the perpetual child and have mommy and daddy take care of them. When biological mom and dad are done, they expect the government to take over and provide everything.

Those who enable that second group consider it "mean" to even think about asking them to take care of themselves.
 
Renee said:
Mean girls is sexist because boys can be just as mean....I've seen it,,kids can be mean..... But never in my classroom!
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Really it is sexist. I see no mention of mean boys. I guess it's only worth talking about when women are perceived as being mean. And I would note most of us from across the spectrum are guilty here. I am sincerely glad you raised this angle if it.
 
drivebyheckler said:
Really it is sexist. I see no mention of mean boys. I guess it's only worth talking about when women are perceived as being mean. And I would note most of us from across the spectrum are guilty here. I am sincerely glad you raised this angle if it.
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It also has to do with how girls and boys fight, boys fight with fists and girls with words. I am on a bus to NYC right now and will be discussing just this issue. Something I learned is that the Internet has brought out cyber bullying in a horrendous ways........we even see it here.
 
Renee said:
It also has to do with how girls and boys fight, boys fight with fists and girls with words. I am on a bus to NYC right now and will be discussing just this issue. Something I learned is that the Internet has brought out cyber bullying in a horrendous ways........we even see it here.
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That was "back then", Renee. In 2014, girls fight with fists, and boys fight with guns and knives.

Get with it.
 
Renee said:
That is a word I hate....there is no other group that uses a pejorative about themselves and allows others to use it too.
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There are other groups who use pejoratives used on them to battle stereotyping but that is an aside to your point. I think for you it would be the very essence of what you are fighting against so I get that and appreciate you feel that way.

The culture regarding women has been themed in PJ to the point even men are getting in on the get-the-girl meme rather than the issue. In this case the post only made statements regarding what he personally believed on a woman's decision. The age old line we all draw. For me it seemed appropriate to use the perfect word that has held women back in business. The only hint I left was I don't like labels. I used it proudly! Humor rules my life, I don't rule humor. lol
 
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Barbella said:
That was "back then", Renee. In 2014, girls fight with fists, and boys fight with guns and knives.

Get with it.
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Perhaps where you live......maybe you should get out and see the world outside of your environment, women and girls still hit with words and exclusion..,, look at yourself
 
Minotaur said:
There are other groups who use pejoratives used on them to battle stereotyping but that is an aside to your point. I think for you it would be the very essence of what you are fighting against so I get that and appreciate you feel that way.

The culture regarding women has been themed in PJ to the point even men are getting in on the get-the-girl meme rather than the issue. In this case the post only made statements regarding what he personally believed on a woman's decision. The age old line we all draw. For me it seemed appropriate to use the perfect word that has held women back in business. The only hint I left was I don't like labels. I used it proudly! Humor rules my life, I don't rule humor. lol
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What other group calls themselves a perjorarive and allows others to? The word niggah often is given as an example, they use the word more as an endearment and don't accept white people using it. Even on TV, the word N*****r is bleeped,but the word bitch is ok.
Confession time.....I use the b word sometimes.....
 
Renee said:
What other group calls themselves a perjorarive and allows others to? The word niggah often is given as an example, they use the word more as an endearment and don't accept white people using it. Even on TV, the word N*****r is bleeped,but the word bitch is ok.
Confession time.....I use the b word sometimes.....
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That is the example I didn't say because it did not get to your real point which is more related to what you are fighting against. They initially used it as a neutralizer that is fully understood. The only remaining issue for using it is did it neutralize or did it widen the gap?

I'm of the mind it may do both but the benefit is that the sting is not as powerful to lowering of self-esteem as it has been.

Hell I even belonged to what we called The B.I.T.C.H. Club. Each letter an acronym to something positive. All professional women letting down our hair with irreverence to being labeled. ;) Sometimes ya just gotta say it when it is right.
 
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