resident_evil
Senator
I'm tired of governors who are ignorant of how to govern. I'm beginning to believe this was allowed to get out of hand in order to put the fear of lawlessness in the larger part of the population.
Why wasn't there a 6 pm curfew?
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Do you think they would have obeyed a 6 PM curfew?
UPNYA2
Mayor
There wasn't a 6PM curfew because that would have been deemed to be yet one more in the never ending violations of the civil rights of minorities by "the man". (White folk.)
resident_evil
Senator
Who cares. Tell them they can protest from sunrise to sunset. If you humor ignorant and illogical thinking the bro's won't learn right from wrong thinking. Which is the freakin' problem.
resident_evil
Senator
They would have if past experience had shown them that illegality got them bedonked on the head with a night stick and fined a couple hundred dollars or worse.
You don't have a right to protest at night and use the cover of darkness to loot and commit arson. That is called rioting not protesting and most Americans will back the enforcers of law and order. But then law enforcement in MO seems to be a disgrace; probably because they don't have a voice real time explaining to the world their POV.
resident_evil
Senator
Curfew, night sticks, and paddy wagons. Not a bogus state of emergency declaration that hid the Guard from view. What a joke. Nixon wanted riots and made sure they were self-punishing riots.
UPNYA2
Mayor
I disagree.
I am of the opinion that the vast majority of the rioters do indeed know right from wrong, they just don't CARE.
Like other criminals they are only interested in what THEY want, they might know the way they choose to get it is not right but they don't care. It is easier to do wrong than right and they are only interested in doing as they desire.
Period.
Simple, although a bit PC incorrect, explanation.
i feel like youre tryning to lay fault at the feet of the wrong parties.
masked folk, assembled under the guise of peaceful protest...lit the town of ferguson ablaze..and looted.. and destroyed.
they could have peacably protested and went the f**k home.
they did not.
further, are you suggesting, given the racial animus overshadowing every instance of everything in ferguson at the moment..that some night stick use..would have been the right tact to take???
resident_evil
Senator
That's where night sticks come in to re-educate the lawless and orderless. ;0)
resident_evil
Senator
Yep. Now 25 businesses lie in ruin and probably a greater number of livelyhoods too. You have a right to protest lawfully. If you do it unlawfully you should suffer consequences. Bumps on the head and a depleted wallet make good lesson plans.
The rioters would then be shocked to learn that the largest part of the country would agree if our leadership was rational and communicative. Which is something Nixon, Obama, nor Holder are.
Arkady
President
Denying the people their freedom to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances is a big step. Essentially confining many thousands of people to what amounts to house arrest for the night, without any trial, on the individual say-so of one politician, is a pretty big step, don't you think? If it helps to see it in a different light, imagine that the protestors in question were white conservatives (say, those who showed up to support Cliven Bundy's lawbreaking), and the curfew was imposed on the unilateral say-so of Barack Obama. Would you still be in favor of it?
UPNYA2
Mayor
I am not trying to speak for anyone other than myself, but concerning your question, "...are you suggesting, given the racial animus overshadowing every instance of everything in ferguson at the moment..that some night stick use..would have been the right tact to take??", I am not suggesting, I am flat out stating that, again, only in MY opinion, some night stick use..would have been the right tact to take, IN SPITE OF, "the racial animus overshadowing every instance of everything in ferguson at the moment".
It is my opinion that to not do something that may be called for just because mobs of people might not like it, might try to use it as yet another "reason" to act violently or in a manner that would justify such a tactic will only encourage people to band together in the future and threaten society if they too do not get their way on any given matter.
If we are to worry about BS like "racial animus" we may as well go ahead and tell everyone who looks like a rioter that we are not going to use whatever force may be required to try to control those who suffered losses last night from themselves going out and inflicting their personal version of "justice" on others because they feel slighted.
May as well remove the law and let ALL people settle matters on their on, as they see fit, if we are going to do that for SOME people.
resident_evil
Senator
If there had been riots that destroyed the property and livelyhood of fellow citizens? Of course. Wouldn't you?
Arkady
President
No. I have trouble justifying depriving many thousands of peaceful people their rights as a result of the bad actions of a few people. If serious violence started to be directed at individuals, I could see taking extreme measures, if need be, but short of that, I'd focus on apprehending the criminals, not punishing everyone equally.
resident_evil
Senator
Sorry. Not peaceful. And day time protesting and getting their ____ ass out to vote is the lawful redress they should seek.
Arkady
President
The protested following the announcement. Was it their fault that was at night? With the talk of "bros" and the strategic "____," I think I'm starting to get a sense for where you're coming from on this.
connieb
Senator
I feel bad for the business owners, and I think that Missouri should pay for not protecting them and or giving them the opportunity to save as much of their business as possible. I hope they are well insured.
That being said, if you want to shit where you sleep, that is your business. And, years from now when Ferguson is a ghost town and few respectible businesses return then I don't want to hear any whining about it. The people who live there will have brought this on themselves. The people had the chance, to protect their own neighborhood from the outsiders and they opted not to and either participated or allowed the destruction to happen. Hardly anyone is going to be caught or punished for this. But, if you wanted to know why in the last few decades the demographics has changed of the area substantially, you need only to look at the behavior of the current residents to understand. People with means - will choose to live elsewhere when their neighbors enable, or endorse, or turn the other cheek to lawlessness and trouble.
connie
resident_evil
Senator
Yep, at a point Americans of all colors get pissed and say enough is enough. Protesters may well encounter counter protesters. That is the point of law and order and a curfew. To avoid counter protesters. Btw, the blank was for black. Because it is the blacks in Ferguson who won't run and don't vote in municipal elections. Until they do their protests are lame.
You have dulled senses. Don't rely on them.
resident_evil
Senator
Why should ALL Missouri taxpayer pay for any of it? Ferguson should have to raise bonds to pay for it, if even that. I feel no pity for business owners who did not stand with friends and family to defend their livelyhoods. Or owners who did not demand the Guard be stationed in front of their store.
