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Do Americans have a right to hate?

Jen said:
Hate isn't a crime.
Sometimes acting on that hate is a crime.
There are those who want to legislate our thoughts...........then they want to be the ones to decide what our thoughts are.
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Hate is a right enshrined in the first amendment. Freedom of thought and conscience is what the first amendment represents and the left is trying to destroy that primary fundamental right. The left is a nightmare that perpetrates the exact same crime all over the world through out time. Our Democrats are no different than 1950's communists in their values.
 
resident_evil said:
Hate is a right enshrined in the first amendment. Freedom of thought and conscience is what the first amendment represents and the left is trying to destroy that primary fundamental right. The left is a nightmare that perpetrates the exact same crime all over the world through out time. Our Democrats are no different than 1950's communists in their values.
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The first amendment prohibits making laws abridging speech, establishment of religion, infringing on the freedom of the press, etc. What has that to do with hate? You can hate whatever you want. Like I hate walnuts.
 
BobbyT said:
The first amendment prohibits making laws abridging speech, establishment of religion, infringing on the freedom of the press, etc. What has that to do with hate? You can hate whatever you want. Like I hate walnuts.
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You pass for smarter than that. Is it hate to not wanna serve cake at a wedding? Or take photos? Liberals say that hate is a crime that needs to be punished. Burning an American flag, is that a hate crime? You know like not taking a photo or serving cake at a wedding?

Idiot liberals have fucked everything up in a free society.
 
resident_evil said:
You pass for smarter than that. Is it hate to not wanna serve cake at a wedding? Or take photos? Liberals say that hate is a crime that needs to be punished. Burning an American flag, is that a hate crime? You know like not taking a photo or serving cake at a wedding?

Idiot liberals have fucked everything up in a free society.
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By "serve cake at a wedding" I assume you mean open a business baking cakes, including wedding cakes, and then refusing to serve customers because you don't believe they should be allowed to marry. That's not hate, that's illegal - businesses can't discriminate in that way. By "taking photos" I assume mean open a business taking photographs, including wedding photographs, and then refusing to serve customers because you don't believe they should be allowed to marry. That's not hate, that's illegal. Burning the American flag is protected by the First Amendment, so says the Supreme Court in a ruling with which the staunch "idiot liberal" Antonin Scalia sided.

I agree with our country's legal position that people should be treated equally under the law and thus that public businesses should serve the public even when they disagree personally with what individual members of the public are legally doing. I would never burn the American Flag but I don't believe American citizens should be curtailed from protesting against the Government, including by burning the flag, as long as they don't do anything illegal in the process.
 
Some thoughts on hate:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
-Martin Luther King Jr.

It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
-Confucius

Throughout life people will make you mad, disrespect you and treat you bad. Let God deal with the things they do, cause hate in your heart will consume you too.
-Will Smith

I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.
-Martin Luther King Jr.

I shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him.
-Booker T. Washington


So, sure, you have the right to choose hate. It's such a dumb choice, however, so why would you?
 
resident_evil said:
Or, if you prefer, "Is it a crime to hate?"
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Quite simply yes.

What you don't have a right to do, is to violate someone else's actual physical rights, with your hate.

However, there should be no special 'hate crimes". That is ludicrious. If you vandalize property - the crime should be the same regardless of your motivation.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Some thoughts on hate:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
-Martin Luther King Jr.

It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
-Confucius

Throughout life people will make you mad, disrespect you and treat you bad. Let God deal with the things they do, cause hate in your heart will consume you too.
-Will Smith

I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.
-Martin Luther King Jr.

I shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him.
-Booker T. Washington


So, sure, you have the right to choose hate. It's such a dumb choice, however, so why would you?
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You do understand that this thread is not about the virtues of hate?
 
resident_evil said:
Or, if you prefer, "Is it a crime to hate?"
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We have a right to hate. That right stops where someone becomes physically injured or there is an imminent, "yelling fire in a crowded theater" level threat of physical injury.
 
connieb said:
What you don't have a right to do, is to violate someone else's actual physical rights, with your hate.
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You're going to have to define physical rights.

However, there should be no special 'hate crimes". That is ludicrious. If you vandalize property - the crime should be the same regardless of your motivation.
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Agree. Someone beaten badly for whatever the reason deserves the same justice. The idea of "hate" being a modifier has been a huge mistake. It has taken the crime from say a physical assault crime enhancement to a thought crime. This is obscene to real moral values.
 
connieb said:
Quite simply yes.

What you don't have a right to do, is to violate someone else's actual physical rights, with your hate.

However, there should be no special 'hate crimes". That is ludicrious. If you vandalize property - the crime should be the same regardless of your motivation.
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I am glad you brought up hate crimes. I have been a bit seduced by the FB memes about making cop killings hate crimes. In the end, I stick to my principles. It doesn't matter why you assault, maim or kill someone- you need to go to prison for a long time or be executed.
 
The Thinker said:
We have a right to hate. That right stops where someone becomes physically injured or there is an imminent, "yelling fire in a crowded theater" level threat of physical injury.
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Oliver Wendell Holmes is the SCOTUS judge who said we can't yell fire in a crowded theater when he sentenced a man for protesting the draft in the 1st World War. Does that change your opinion any?


Yes, we can yell fire in a crowded theater. Clearly how the theater goers behave is on them.
 
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BobbyT said:
By "serve cake at a wedding" I assume you mean open a business baking cakes, including wedding cakes, and then refusing to serve customers because you don't believe they should be allowed to marry. That's not hate, that's illegal - businesses can't discriminate in that way. By "taking photos" I assume mean open a business taking photographs, including wedding photographs, and then refusing to serve customers because you don't believe they should be allowed to marry. That's not hate, that's illegal. Burning the American flag is protected by the First Amendment, so says the Supreme Court in a ruling with which the staunch "idiot liberal" Antonin Scalia sided.

I agree with our country's legal position that people should be treated equally under the law and thus that public businesses should serve the public even when they disagree personally with what individual members of the public are legally doing. I would never burn the American Flag but I don't believe American citizens should be curtailed from protesting against the Government, including by burning the flag, as long as they don't do anything illegal in the process.
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Businesses can discriminate. The government can't tell them to. States used to require that businesses discriminate or be breaking the law. That has been rectified and rightfully an unconstitutional remedy was applied for decades. Time has passed. Now free conscience is what should be next because it is morally rightful.
 
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