"Big Bang Theory" from Satan?

[GordonGecko]

Yes, it is childish to mock someone for their beliefs.....

Thanks....I'll save that for future use.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

If he believes it, that's his right. If he tries to do it, we should lock him up.

As far as my "demanding he not be mocked", I have done no such thing. I am simply asking the children mocking him on what basis they have the right to do so. So far none of them have stepped up to the question. They claim science, as if science is an answer in itself, when, in fact science is an imperfect tool, though it is the best we have developed so far. In fact, much of what we know about the nature of the universe has been determined mathematically, with very little empirical evidence.

There's no such thing as observational cosmology???

 

[Colorforms]

Please do.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

As far as the Higgs field, physicists couldn't account for the mass of an object based on the make-up of the particles they were familiar with, so they surmised that there was a field which Higgs determined which gives particles their mass. That is most of what I know about it, except that the Higgs boson particle is still yet to be found. It's a mathematical construct which helps explain universal expansion.

But you're the BS and I am just a lowly "flat-earther", why didn't you know this instead of having to look it up first?

By the way, I wasn't trying to show you up. I was asking what your views of the universe and the big bang were as a means of showing that there is no scientific consensus on the nature of the universe.

The Higgs particle is yet to be found?!? You don't pay much attention to science news, do you? It was one of the biggest stories this past summer.....

 

[Colorforms]

You are kidding, right?

I know you're not capable of rational discussion, but really?

 

[zzigzzag]

Neal Boortz is the one who is promoting Darwin as a candidate. He's very concerned that Broun is making Republicans look like "Neanderthals".

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/17/gops_broun_vs_darwin_in_ga_house_race/

Boortz's concern, of course, is rooted in his deep devotion to the Libertarian Party. Every election, he says, "If there's not a Libertarian candidate, vote for the Republican", knowing that there are few, if any Libertarian candidates on the ballot.

The face of hypocrisy.

 

[Mytzlplk]

indeed, whatta simpleton and fool

even the Catholics have a more sophisticated pov than that idiot http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/13/pope-benedict-reconciles-science-religion/

 

[Colorforms]

Well that is exciting news. Just looked it up and they seem pretty convinced.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

You are kidding, right?

I know you're not capable of rational discussion, but really?

I asked you if you wanted to discuss the stunning results from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe.

Evidently not.

What's your 'reasoned' explanation of the cosmic microwave background radiation, for which two scientists at Bell Labs won a Nobel Prize in Physics back in the 1960s? That's part of observational cosmology, you know. Or maybe you don't know. I'm going to go with that.

 

[Mytzlplk]

indeed, I discovered very early they're a waste of time and text. It doesn't matter what the "cause" for the big bang was/is in reality, whether it be a singularity rebounding or the collision of "branes", just that some mechanism obviously resulting in expansion occurred called the "big bang". The idiot being scrutinized here is denying that a "big bang" even occurred, based on the biblical creation story. In other words, somebody is being a subject-changing tool.

I'm always amused however with the "prime mover" BS though, given that it's merely the arbitrary assignment of "one", when there's nothing in logic that would limit it to one.

 

[GordonGecko]

Neal Boortz is the one who is promoting Darwin as a candidate. He's very concerned that Broun is making Republicans look like "Neanderthals".

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/17/gops_broun_vs_darwin_in_ga_house_race/

Boortz's concern, of course, is rooted in his deep devotion to the Libertarian Party. Every election, he says, "If there's not a Libertarian candidate, vote for the Republican", knowing that there are few, if any Libertarian candidates on the ballot.

The face of hypocrisy.

Libertarians, especially agnostic/atheist Libertarians...are of course the biggest hypocrites or if you like..."sell-outs" in the world. They are more than happy to defend and vote for radical theocratic Republicans on the promise of a tax cut and the ever-elusive "shrinking Government".....despite being delivered more anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, etc. crapola from GOP Congresses.

Most Libertarians are the whipping boys for the GOP...because the GOP knows what the Libers know....they have nowhere else to go.

 

[Colorforms]

I was fascinated with the collision of branes consistent with string theory, that we are existing on one of an infinite number of thin sheets and a collision between sheets creates a big bang. This would indicate big bangs happening all over the universe.

As for the "prime mover", many people still adhere to Aristotle's assertion, since classical universal theory requires one.

 

[Mytzlplk]

indeed, the mass-providing particle has indeed likely been found.

Perhaps maybe this amateur scientist can give us detailed explanation as to what role it has historically played in explaining "universal expansion" in any cosmological birth theory, beyond it being critical to the Standard Model of particle physics.

 

[zzigzzag]

I bought my son a Spinosaurus tooth that's estimated to be about 100 million years old. (Hey....if they ever manage to clone from DNA, he'll have the coolest pet in the neighborhood.) The only known fossils of Spinosaurus were destroyed when we bombed Germany. They found some more in Morocco and I got one just before Morocco made it illegal to export them. There's actually a mystery novel about the Spinosaurus conspiracy. I haven't read it....not sure what it's about.

According to Broun, the estimate is off by about 100 million years. I'm going with the archeologists on that one.

 

[Mytzlplk]

and as you can see, the poor thing dodged the central point to my post, that the details as to what the cause of the "big bang" isn't the issue -- which it subject-changed to -- but rather that idiots adherence to a creationist theory is.

This is how rightwingers convince themselves they rebutted something -- they stupidly or dishonestly change the subject to something at best tangential to that being "debated", and then pretend they prevailed on the merits after never having really addressed the issue at hand.

Apparently they are a creationist too, just like Broun, thereby explaining the introduction of the philosophical "prime mover" BS.

 

[JV-12]

Georgia GOP, Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior.

http://news.yahoo.com/congressman-calls-evolution-lie-pit-hell-175514039.html

Are you convinced you need a savior?

If not, then maybe he is onto something.


Evolution I seriously doubt ever occurred, and I do have some sharp fellows with physics degrees on my side too, even famous ones. But regardless if it did or not, the congressman is correct in that it has become a very useful tool for the devil.

 

[zzigzzag]

Same mindset that begat the baggers. "I'm ashamed to call myself a Republican, but I'll vote for them anyway no matter what."

A thin disguise....nothing more. Boortz being their highest profile advocate kinda underscores that.

 

[Mytzlplk]

indeed, if it talks or posts like a rightwingnut, it's a rightwingnut

 

[zzigzzag]

You have their number, M.

 

[GordonGecko]

But regardless if it did or not, the congressman is correct in that it has become a very useful tool for the devil.

See? The "JV-12" contingent of the Republican Party are the ones the most vocal and more likely to assume power (i.e. be in Congress)....

the Neil Boortz/Colorforms contingent are under the thumb of the Religious Right in the GOP since the Libertarians know that if they break from the Repubs they are guarenteed no influence whatsoever and of course no chance whatsoever for even more tax cuts or even PROMISES of spending/Gov't cuts.

So...the GOP ends up in the hands of folks like Paul Broun....who get into office, promote an agenda on social issues ANTITHETICAL to libertarianism....and have NO RISK whatsoever of libertarians bolting from the GOP, because they have nowhere else to go.