Mom was a gun nut?

[Minotaur]

If this is true then it will become part of the national discussion.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...-die-was-avid-gun-enthusiast-friend-says?lite

 

[NinaS]

If this is true then it will become part of the national discussion.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...-die-was-avid-gun-enthusiast-friend-says?lite

An ENABLER and later a VICTIM of her own stupidity. I feel no pain for that woman after reading this article below. She taught that fool how to shoot, knowing he was a troubled person then left her guns where he could use them on babies.

http://gothamist.com/2012/12/15/ct_mass_school_shooting_suspect_for.php

 

[NinaS]

Woops...pretty much same article but different website. Sorry.
I also read where 3/4 of the mass shootings since 1982 have been done by using weapons purchased LEGALLY.
So much for nuts with black market guns....seems that the nuts are the registered gun owners who are (like Loughtner) evil themselves or stupid enough to
not secure their TOYS.

 

[Minotaur]

Unbelievable and unforgivable. We need solutions for these sick people who buy up guns like toys and end far too often with these horror stories. This is the worse but it is not going to go away by ignoring it. Conservatives were so sure he got the guns illegally as if they have to do it illegally to go bonkers and kill all these beautiful babies.

They just have to be in a gun nut household.

 

[Minotaur]

We are tracking here as I just answered you over that same detail about wanting it to be with illegal guns. They really don't have to use illegal guns so why would they. Any nut household can buy one any time they want as in this case.

 

[Union_Jack_1972]

Let not blame the victim for what her son did. Let take a moment and ask how many of us want to admit that our child might be disturbed and shouldn't be allow access to any form of firearms?

I am not sayin' the mother was a saint, and who knows she may have been suffering from some form of mental illness, but to pass the blame on her for her son action is not correct, and also we are still learning new information and I will wait for a week before makin' my judgment on the mother.

I do not understand the need for High Power Military Assault Rifle, but still let have all the facts before we paint her as evil as the monster that she gave birth to...

 

[NinaS]

Unbelievable and unforgivable. We need solutions for these sick people who buy up guns like toys and end far too often with these horror stories. This is the worse but it is not going to go away by ignoring it. Conservatives were so sure he got the guns illegally as if they have to do it illegally to go bonkers and kill all these beautiful babies.

They just have to be in a gun nut household.

They are ignoring my post where i showed links saying that 3/4 of the guns used in mass killings are from guns obtained legally. They amaze me with their never-ending defense of this kind of sick obsession regarding weapons. I don't know if they are really that cowardly/scared or just plain stupid to think we need these kind of weapons in our homes.
Women who brag about carrying hand guns in their purses....bully for them. IF they keep that purse on their person...around their necks where nobody can grab it and get the gun out...(kids get into mommy's purse all the time for whatever reason). Do they have to eat at restraunts with the purse strapped to them...hanging around their necks?? Sorry...I'm just amazed at how afraid some people are.

 

[NinaS]

Let not blame the victim for what her son did. Let take a moment and ask how many of us want to admit that our child might be disturbed and shouldn't be allow access to any form of firearms?

I am not sayin' the mother was a saint, and who knows she may have been suffering from some form of mental illness, but to pass the blame on her for her son action is not correct, and also we are still learning new information and I will wait for a week before makin' my judgment on the mother.

I do not understand the need for High Power Military Assault Rifle, but still let have all the facts before we paint her as evil as the monster that she gave birth to...

Jack...if you read the links you will see she TAUGHT her son how to shoot these guns KNOWING he was troubled. Then she left the guns where he could use them on innocents. She may well be a victim but she is also the one who enabled him to have the guns at his disposal and taught him to shoot them. LOTS of people have no idea how to shoot or load guns...(I'm one of them) and when a mother KNOWS her kid is troubled then she sure as hell shouldn't have went that route and taught him to shoot. Sure...I pity her in a way but if she were alive today and he only used them on the teachers and kids, she should be facing criminal charges. Not trying to be mean but that's the facts, Jack.

 

[Minotaur]

Unfortunately I am passing judgement on her. She knew her son had mental issues enough to worry about him and talk about it openly but did not get help and she may not have known the deadly outcome with guns and mental problems but as a mom for goodness sake wouldn't the right reaction be to remove weapons from the home and try to get him help? She was a professional so that should have been her first thought not his last act. He should have had mental help and she should NEVER have had guns around that kid.

I agree no one wants to admit a offspring's mental issues but she did. The weapons she bought into her home were deadly. Most times the parents are innocent but in this case it is hard to see something positive in her actions leading up to a horrific end for so many.

 

[BRU]

If this is true then it will become part of the national discussion.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...-die-was-avid-gun-enthusiast-friend-says?lite

I'd be careful about news that you are reading, this story has changed many times over the last 48 hours. There were also reports the woman took her son to the shooting ranges but the ATF disputes that.

[UPDATE 7:42 p.m.] The Stamford Advocate reports that the longtime director of a popular shooting range near Newtown said there is no record that Adam Lanza practiced there, and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) didn't find his name on any of the facility's sign-in sheets.

 

[BRU]

How do you know she didn't try to get her son help? Have they released his medical records?

 

[Minotaur]

The news has stated she didn't. She may in fact have but it still does not explain what a mom with a troubled son was thinking in colecting guns and taking him to shooting ranges.

Unfortunately it has to be discussed if even half of this is true because if indeed she did discuss his mental issues and collect guns her death was a form of suicide by proxy as that kind of ignoring goes too deep.

 

[BRU]

The news has stated she didn't. She may in fact have but it still does not explain what a mom with a troubled son was thinking in colecting guns and taking him to shooting ranges.

Unfortunately it has to be discussed if even half of this is true because if indeed she did discuss his mental issues and collect guns her death was a form of suicide by proxy as that kind of ignoring goes too deep.

ya might want to hang on a bit before passing that judgment...


[UPDATE 7:42 p.m.] The Stamford Advocate reports that the longtime director of a popular shooting range near Newtown said there is no record that Adam Lanza practiced there, and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) didn't find his name on any of the facility's sign-in sheets.

 

[Minotaur]

That was mentioned in my link as the police were checking to see if he had come out recently before the killings.

Agree there has been a lot of misinformation. Tey were her guns though and he was mental

 

[Minotaur]

That was in my link too. They were asking about recent visits. They want to know if he practiced days before the killings.

 

[NinaS]

The news has stated she didn't. She may in fact have but it still does not explain what a mom with a troubled son was thinking in colecting guns and taking him to shooting ranges.

Unfortunately it has to be discussed if even half of this is true because if indeed she did discuss his mental issues and collect guns her death was a form of suicide by proxy as that kind of ignoring goes too deep.

The fact that she had guns...an avid gun collector...assault type guns to be exact shows a complete lack of judgement considering she had a troubled son. I'd say ANY person who thinks he/she has to have assault weapons in their homes are a little off themselves. Especially when they were not secured enough to keep them out of the hands of people like her troubled son. Whether she took him to the range or not...he OBVIOUSLY knew how to use guns. 26 bodies prove that.

 

[BRU]

my point is don't believe everything you read. One news source said that was the shooting range she took her son, the ATF says no . They also said she was a teacher at Sandy Hook, turns out she wasn't and in fact no one knows what she does for a living. The story has changed multiple times. Some family members have stated she never allowed him to use guns... All I am saying is before we pass judgment on a woman who was shot in the face by her own son we should wait until all the facts are in. I will agree with you on the security of her guns. Clearly they were not secure; but even that may change - we may find yet another correction or explanation to that.

 

[NinaS]

That was mentioned in my link as the police were checking to see if he had come out recently before the killings.

Agree there has been a lot of misinformation. Tey were her guns though and he was mental

Unless she had those ASSAULT WEAPONS in a gun safe that could not be broken into then she was negligent. Even if her son wasn't mentally challenged. Gun cabinets or under he mattress or under the bed or in a locked closet don't cut it. IF they had been in a gun safe he could not have gotten them unless she was careless with the key as well. I don't know where they were stored but if she hadn't had them this would not have happened. When 3/4 of the guns used in this kind of crime are from guns owned legally it says something about those who own the guns. No ifs ands or buts.

 

[Minotaur]

No doubt we'll know more but these things are so beyond horrific that it shakes us all to the core. In the case of her collection with a troubled son it doesn't even have to be complex to be shocked by that lack of common sense that may be involved in this. How the hell could a mom collect guns knowing her son is mentally challenged?

My own feeling is that even if she got help for him, why would she not remove guns from the home? For goodness sake, we raise kids instinctually removing danger from their path and surely if we know a child has mental issues, gun collecting is probably not a good idea.

 

[Bo-4]

That's the way it would appear Min. And what a grand idea to allow a kid with Asperger Syndrome who "doesn't play well with others" unfettered access to that grand collection!