What cons overlook about San Antonio shooting

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I think the part cons seem to miss is that it wasn't a armed civilian exercising their 2nd amendment rights who took this guy out. In fact the shooter was the armed civilian exercising his 2nd Amendment rights. It was an authorized officer of the law who intervened and stopped that man. It was a person who had been trained in their profession on how to react with a firearm in that kind of situation. This not only proves there is a need to keep guns out of the hands of would be criminals. It blows a hole right through the argument that more guns in the hands of the general public make us safer. I am pretty sure that none the people there that day felt safer because this civilian was armed.

 

[Saladin2]

These Right Wing Gun Nuts are upset because they think this incident validates their stupid belief if everybody had a gun the nation would be safer/..TOTAL BULLSHIT...Thankfully new laws are coming to curb the easy access of high fire power

 

[888888]

I think the part cons seem to miss is that it wasn't a armed civilian exercising their 2nd amendment rights who took this guy out. In fact the shooter was the armed civilian exercising his 2nd Amendment rights. It was an authorized officer of the law who intervened and stopped that man. It was a person who had been trained in their profession on how to react with a firearm in that kind of situation. This not only proves there is a need to keep guns out of the hands of would be criminals. It blows a hole right through the argument that more guns in the hands of the general public make us safer. I am pretty sure that none the people there that day felt safer because this civilian was armed.

We just need to train everyone who owns a gun to be a cop is all.

 

[trapdoor]

Yeah, there's some magical difference between an off-duty cop and anyone else with a gun.

 

[Boca]

Fact is anybody at the scene with a gun willing to use it will draw fire possibly allowing others to escape.

Maybe it would have 20 instead of 30 at Virginia Tech; maybe it would have been one less child at Sandy Hook; maybe with a good shot none would have died.

Of course Lefty doesn't care.....the more the better.

 

[GordonGecko]

Yeah, there's some magical difference between an off-duty cop and anyone else with a gun.

No, trap....EVERYBODY is a trained law enforcement officer. Everybody.

 

[GordonGecko]

Fact is anybody at the scene with a gun willing to use it will draw fire possibly allowing others to escape.

Maybe it would have 20 instead of 30 at Virginia Tech; maybe it would have been one less child at Sandy Hook; maybe with a good shot none would have died.

Of course Lefty doesn't care.....the more the better.

True...if an armed POLICE OFFICER had been at Sandy Hook, maybe fewer would have died.

If some moron with his Glock and a AR-15 he bought at a gun show the previous Saturday had been there.....likely MORE would have died.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

 

[NinaS]

Yeah, there's some magical difference between an off-duty cop and anyone else with a gun.

Do you KNOW how much training a law enforcement officer has to have before he is allowed to use those skills and get paid to do so? I didn't think so.

 

[Boca]

So you're saying the moron would have turned his weapon on the kids too?

That's pretty sick...even for you.

 

[jammer]

It makes me wonder, since Texas is an "open carry" state, why there weren't more average people there with guns to stop the madman. I mean, according to Jacko, every good ol' boy in Texas is packin', just waiting for some terrorist to start somethin' so he can gun the varmint down. Where were all those gun totin' law abidin' citizens and why didn't they take this guy out after his first shot?

 

[GordonGecko]

So you're saying the moron would have turned his weapon on the kids too?

That's pretty sick...even for you.

No, that's not what I was saying. I'm saying some idiot who thinks he's Dirty Harry from watching too many movies and blogging on the NRA website with the rest of the "I could have taken out that guy in five seconds with my 9mm and nobody would have been hurt" goofballs.....is NOT the same thing as a trained police officer.

 

[NinaS]

So you're saying the moron would have turned his weapon on the kids too?

That's pretty sick...even for you.

I think you know he didn't mean that. You wanna be John Wayne types are scary to say the least. And the Annie Oakley con women are just as bad. YOU PEOPLE would love to be able to kill someone in order to be known as a hero. Ain't gonna happen. If you want to be a law enforcement officer go take the training they had to take.

 

[GordonGecko]

It makes me wonder, since Texas is an "open carry" state, why there weren't more average people there with guns to stop the madman. I mean, according to Jacko, every good ol' boy in Texas is packin', just waiting for some terrorist to start somethin' so he can gun the varmint down. Where were all those gun totin' law abidin' citizens and why didn't they take this guy out after his first shot?

True...why did they need a cop....when everybody is their own Wyatt Earp?!?!?!?

 

[NinaS]

It's like talking to a brick wall, Julie. They don't even recognize themselves for the FOOLS that they are.

 

[jammer]

So you're saying the moron would have turned his weapon on the kids too?

That's pretty sick...even for you.

No Boca, but the moron who bought his Glock and AR-15 at the local gun show two weeks before probably couldn't hit what he was aiming at if he tried. I go to the range at least twice a month and think I'm a pretty good shooter, but I wouldn't trust myself to hit only bad guys in a crowded room especially if they were firing back at me.

 

[NinaS]

True...why did they need a cop....when everybody is their own Wyatt Earp?!?!?!?

Reading his post I'd say Wyatt URP instead of Wyatt Earp. They love to talk about "taking someone out". Police officers lay their lives on the line every damn day for these WANNA-BE shootin' tootin' heroes. They make me want to URP...that's for sure.

 

[SandyinTex]

It makes me wonder, since Texas is an "open carry" state, why there weren't more average people there with guns to stop the madman. I mean, according to Jacko, every good ol' boy in Texas is packin', just waiting for some terrorist to start somethin' so he can gun the varmint down. Where were all those gun totin' law abidin' citizens and why didn't they take this guy out after his first shot?

Here is some good old Texas gun nut thinking...our shop is on a main highway which had been broken into and a guy we built a home for told my husband he saw a car parked in front of the shop and he pulled over and got his pistol out from under the seat and waited to see if someone was breaking into our shop again but he got tired of waiting and left. Well, it turns out it was our son in the shop who was picking up a tool my husband had asked him to get and bring home. These idiots are just looking for an excuse to use their weapon and they could give a shit less whether it's someone innocent or not. It's shoot first and ask questions later. Talk about stuck on stupid. That POS has no authority over our shop and I'd much rather some tools get stolen than to have a person get killed especially if it's one of my sons who have ever right to be in that shop.

 

[Boca]

Wow...the Three Musketeers showcase their IQ's....mind if I ask you guys a question?

What would Dirty Harry, John Wayne, or some other armed moron be doing in a classroom in the first place?

 

[trapdoor]

No, that's not what I was saying. I'm saying some idiot who thinks he's Dirty Harry from watching too many movies and blogging on the NRA website with the rest of the "I could have taken out that guy in five seconds with my 9mm and nobody would have been hurt" goofballs.....is NOT the same thing as a trained police officer.

Except that the caricature you paint here doesn't describe most gun owners. Most, especially those who carry, have at least some training. I shoot more in a month, personally, than most police officers shoot in a year, in a sport that has shoot/don't shoot scenarios (and I don't even carry a gun). Degrading most gun owners and most people with concealed carry permits as "goofballs" is applying a stereotype in a way that just plaine doesn't fit.

I can remember people like yourself saying it would be "Dodge City America" if concealed carry was generally allowed. That hasn't happened -- most people don't carry, and there have been very few (not zero, but few) bad incidents involving those who carry legally. Now, I could go on here and say that liberals opposed to concealed carry are just sheeple waiting to become victims -- but that would be employing the same sort of stereotype and I don't think it would advance the discussion.