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2012 swiftboater's going after the wrong guy

SandyinTex

SandyinTex

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I distincly recall when news broke Osama bin Laden had been killed Fox news had constant coverage giving George W. Bush credit for taking him down and many Cons on this forum doing the same thing.

As we clearly see the swiftboaters should be going after G.W. Bush. How soon the Cons forget.

Fox & Friends had wall-to-wall coverage of the celebrations inspired by news of Osama bin Laden's death this morning, and had on lots of analysts to discuss the Obama administration's big victory in the so-called "war on terror".

To do that, strangely enough, they had on all sorts of commentators, including various politicians, such as Karl Rove, and featured statements from the likes of Dick Cheney. Oddly enough, not a single segment managed to include a Democratic politician or even one person from the Obama administration.

Instead, what we heard all morning was how George W. Bush deserves credit too! They even ran a segment featuring Bush vowing in 2001 he would eventually get Bin Laden, with the longest time frame being a year from then.

As Steve Benen puts it:


There's a fair amount of this rhetoric bouncing around this morning, and it's not especially surprising -- Republicans aren't going to credit President Obama, regardless of merit, so it stands to reason they'll try to bring George W. Bush into the picture.

If this is going to be a new GOP talking point, we might as well set the record straight.

In March 2002, just six months after 9/11, Bush said of bin Laden, "I truly am not that concerned about him.... You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

In July 2006, we learned that the Bush administration closed its unit that had been hunting bin Laden.

In September 2006, Bush told Fred Barnes, one of his most sycophantic media allies, that an "emphasis on bin Laden doesn't fit with the administration's strategy for combating terrorism."

And don't even get me started on Bush's failed strategy that allowed bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora.

I'm happy to extend plenty of credit to all kinds of officials throughout the government, but crediting Bush's "vigilance" on bin Laden is deeply silly.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that they didn't show this. :D

[video=youtube;4PGmnz5Ow-o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o[/video]
 
Only if you actually believe that they are non-partisan....the fact is that one of their leaders was on Hannity defending the Bush administration's leak of Plame's identity. That, in his opinion, was OK because he was pretty sure she wasn't really covert anymore....of course, he had not been with the CIA for 12 years.
 
middleview said:
Only if you actually believe that they are non-partisan....the fact is that one of their leaders was on Hannity defending the Bush administration's leak of Plame's identity. That, in his opinion, was OK because he was pretty sure she wasn't really covert anymore....of course, he had not been with the CIA for 12 years.
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Yes, middle, they're all experts on these things especially when it comes to giving their guys a pass on their corruption.
 
TwoWitnesses said:
When you refer to "swiftboaters", are you talking about that group called OPSEC? Have you looked at their video?
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I haven't seen the OPSEC video but I'm talking about the other group that goes by SOS and freely admits to hating President Obama and claiming to be birthers. As a matter of fact they believe and fully support every rightwingnuttery conspiracy concerning the President that anyone can come up with.

I know the OPSEC claim to be non-partisan which is pure BS considering the learder is a disgruntled wannabe GOP politician.
 
I've seen a few minutes....just what they thought were the "highlights". They are run by two guys, one a former Bush campaign official from 2000 and then a Bush administration appointee who held a number of jobs in the administration. He is currently a partner in a republican campaign consulting company. They are funded by one of the guys who chipped in to broadcast the crap from the Swiftboat bunch.

They claim to be non-partisan (which is pure crap) and aren't affiliated with any political party, since they waited a year to come forward after Bin Laden's death, but just before the election....I'll let you decide how credible that claim is....They also claim that the leaks related to killing Bin Laden are making the lives of our soldiers and agents more dangerous, but it seems they don't have an opinion about when the Bush White House leaked Valerie Plame's id....

I have yet to see any evidence that anyone in the White House leaked anything, yet these guys are pretty sure that President Obama was responsible. Gee, who would make that kind of claim with no evidence?
 
middleview said:
I've seen a few minutes....just what they thought were the "highlights". They are run by two guys, one a former Bush campaign official from 2000 and then a Bush administration appointee who held a number of jobs in the administration. He is currently a partner in a republican campaign consulting company. They are funded by one of the guys who chipped in to broadcast the crap from the Swiftboat bunch.

They claim to be non-partisan (which is pure crap) and aren't affiliated with any political party, since they waited a year to come forward after Bin Laden's death, but just before the election....I'll let you decide how credible that claim is....They also claim that the leaks related to killing Bin Laden are making the lives of our soldiers and agents more dangerous, but it seems they don't have an opinion about when the Bush White House leaked Valerie Plame's id....

I have yet to see any evidence that anyone in the White House leaked anything, yet these guys are pretty sure that President Obama was responsible. Gee, who would make that kind of claim with no evidence?
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I've been to several websites that are talking about this story and in the comment section even the vets who dislike Obama and will not vote for him are calling these swiftboaters a disgrace to the uniform and despicable for the lies they're telling. Maybe this time the swiftboat liars will not get away with it.
 
Here is the full video....I have yet to hear any information that would lead me to think the Obama administration has leaked anything.

http://www.opsecteam.org/

They edited the announcement of Bin Laden's death to just when Obama says "I ordered" or "I met"....All mention of the military personnel involved was taken out and then they complain that Obama acts like he did it himself....they also complain that Bin Laden's death shouldn't have been anounced for a week or so, allowing the US to make us of captured material.....I'm thinking that Al Qaeda knew before the president's press conference.....but maybe that is just me....

They continually imply that some major intel was revealed, like the name of the unit...except Seal Team 6 was a book that was out before that unit was named as the one that carried out the operation.....why aren't these guys pissed at the Seal Team member who wrote the book.

I also noticed no mention of leaking the name of a CIA agent for political purposes.....I guess that was ok.
 
Bo-4 said:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that they didn't show this. :D

[video=youtube;4PGmnz5Ow-o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o[/video]
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LeRoy: Well, but see, Bo, that was just brilliant strategery by George W.!! That George! He was clever like a fox! He convinced that Bin Laden dude that we's didn't care 'bout him no more! Got him to let down his guard, ya see! Shoot, that was the only reason this hear Obama feller was able to get him! George did ALL the groundwork! With BRILLAINT STRATEGERY!!!
 
I guess OPSEC would prefer our country have a "secret military", capable of getting away with atrocities because they are classified information and should never be divulged. It should be public information about how awesome our miltary is, not hide behind security clearances as if there is something to hide. The world already knows what the American military is capable of. It's not secret information. We WANT our enemies to know what our capabilities are to strike fear in their heart if they decide to mess with the USA.
 
That the Cons would bastardize the President's statement just shows how jealous and low they'll go. Are they so delusional they do not know there are transcripts of the President's speech?

Here it is...

THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

It was nearly 10 years ago that a bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. The images of 9/11 are seared into our national memory -- hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless September sky; the Twin Towers collapsing to the ground; black smoke billowing up from the Pentagon; the wreckage of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the actions of heroic citizens saved even more heartbreak and destruction.

And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table. Children who were forced to grow up without their mother or their father. Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts.

On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.

We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda -- an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.

Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.

Yet Osama bin Laden avoided capture and escaped across the Afghan border into Pakistan. Meanwhile, al Qaeda continued to operate from along that border and operate through its affiliates across the world. And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

For over two decades, bin Laden has been al Qaeda’s leader and symbol, and has continued to plot attacks against our country and our friends and allies. The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda. Yet his death does not mark the end of our effort. There’s no doubt that al Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must –- and we will -- remain vigilant at home and abroad.

As we do, we must also reaffirm that the United States is not –- and never will be -– at war with Islam. I’ve made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al Qaeda has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries, including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.

Over the years, I’ve repeatedly made clear that we would take action within Pakistan if we knew where bin Laden was. That is what we’ve done. But it’s important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed, bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well, and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people.

Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations. And going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The American people did not choose this fight. It came to our shores, and started with the senseless slaughter of our citizens. After nearly 10 years of service, struggle, and sacrifice, we know well the costs of war. These efforts weigh on me every time I, as Commander-in-Chief, have to sign a letter to a family that has lost a loved one, or look into the eyes of a service member who’s been gravely wounded.

So Americans understand the costs of war. Yet as a country, we will never tolerate our security being threatened, nor stand idly by when our people have been killed. We will be relentless in defense of our citizens and our friends and allies. We will be true to the values that make us who we are. And on nights like this one, we can say to those families who have lost loved ones to al Qaeda’s terror: Justice has been done.

Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores. And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.

The cause of securing our country is not complete. But tonight, we are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to. That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.

Let us remember that we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because of who we are: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. May God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America. END 11:44 P.M. EDT
 
well said and so true sandy -- trying to have it both ways is but one of many forms their dumb dishonesty takes
 
Yep...this George WMD Bush...who denied what he had said...

[video=youtube;JRY_BOYeySc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRY_BOYeySc[/video]
 
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