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9/11

Boltlady

Boltlady

Governor
First, I will state unequivocally that I do not buy the gov't/official version of what happened that day. There still seems to be a lot of people who do, which means:


One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed.

The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/the-11th-anniversary-of-911.html
 
Hey, it gets worse. One commercial jet, all by itself, and supposedly on radar for an entire hour after NYC was already hit... completely off course and already being followed as a hijacking... attacks the pentagon... remember this commercial jet goes in all alone against our nation's capital... and we are helpless to stop it.

It's a wonder the USA wasn't taken over by sea; the way 09/11 went, I figure one banana boat from Cuba could have sailed up the Potomac and taken the White House.
 
Superpower ............It's an odd description isn't it really ? Once there were Empires but I supose an Empire takes with it a certian amount of responsibility.
 
GordonGecko said:
Actually, Anny, I think the word you want to use is "hegemony", not "empire"
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Well after they were set up that is what Empires became ,,,,,,but this Superpower hasn't put in the foundations so mmm I think I meant Empire :) Though it was just one of those moments when you think ....thats a funny word, in that place ........
 
NightSwimmer said:
Nah... Just more annexation of property. If the US was an Empire in the traditional sense of the word, then you'd be a colonist right now.
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The US/NATO does the fighting bit, China the making friends and building bit .;) It is very discincerting and confusing isn't it this not knowing who is what of the World now being 'run' by the unseen ........... ?
 
A couple of spelling mishaps but it is taking so bloody long to post any nonsense this afternoon .............. I'll just fall back on my 16th spelling excuse rather than edit ............ ;)
 
Queen Titania said:
Well after they were set up that is what Empires became ,,,,,,but this Superpower hasn't put in the foundations so mmm I think I meant Empire :) Though it was just one of those moments when you think ....thats a funny word, in that place ........
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Empire implies direct control....the Romans controlling Greece, you guys controlling India and Jamaica.

An hegemony (in the case of the USA) would be more like "influencing heavily"...i.e. South Vietnam in the 60s or Cuba in the 50s or Iran in the 70s.
 
GordonGecko said:
Empire implies direct control....the Romans controlling Greece, you guys controlling India and Jamaica.

An hegemony (in the case of the USA) would be more like "influencing heavily"...i.e. South Vietnam in the 60s or Cuba in the 50s or Iran in the 70s.
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I know what it means darling and at the end of the British Empire that is too how it was, to a great extent, The Romans too ............with blackmail and extortion co to boot.

What I am saying is that now though it looks as if it is National as in America Superpower being the be all and end all .....well it isn't is it, not really ? It is morfing into something else. The powers that be are no longer Nations.

But then America is 'Nations' I supose, all of them ;-) One difference between you and Australia I guess, if being of one you being of all.
 
Days said:
Hey, it gets worse. One commercial jet, all by itself, and supposedly on radar for an entire hour after NYC was already hit... completely off course and already being followed as a hijacking... attacks the pentagon... remember this commercial jet goes in all alone against our nation's capital... and we are helpless to stop it.

It's a wonder the USA wasn't taken over by sea; the way 09/11 went, I figure one banana boat from Cuba could have sailed up the Potomac and taken the White House.
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While I no longer have the link, I do remember reading at the time that the plane flew over a total of 108 of our bases not to mention the fact that Andrews AFB is only across the river. You would of thought that somebody was minding the store. Apparently we're supposed to believe that nobody was.
 
Boltlady said:
While I no longer have the link, I do remember reading at the time that the plane flew over a total of 108 of our bases not to mention the fact that Andrews AFB is only across the river. You would of thought that somebody was minding the store. Apparently we're supposed to believe that nobody was.
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I won't dive into the bottomless pit of 9/11 conspiracy theories, but I will say this much: The absolute absence of a military response to the events of 9/11 can only point to one of two things.

1. Our military forces are (or, at least, were) totally inept and unprepared for an attack on our homeland.

2. Complicity on the part of our highest military leadership in allowing the events of 9/11 to occur.
 
Anny

1. I don't think America ever was a true "empire", given for much of the post-WW-2 period we really didn't "control" Europe, Africa was all over the place, South America were just dictators who we tolerated, and Asia was a toss-up between us, the Soviets, the Indians, the Chinese and later, economic power of the Japanese (and Chinese). When we tried it...like propping up the South Vietnamese scumbags we liked....it flopped.

Plus we just aren't very interested in it....Americans are by nature isolationists (comes from imagining ourselves better than everybody else and not wanting to "dirty our hands" by having to deal with "you people".) Pre-WW2, aside from the Spanish-American War, nobody wanted to "plant the American flag" in other countries. We got Cuba in that war and GAVE IT BACK (though always with the promise of a guy who'd buy Bell Telephone and Standard Oil from our friends in the corporate world).


2. I don't buy 9/11 Conspiracy theories...I don't buy hardly any conspiracy theoreis.

I think they are a secular/political means of creatinig a form of "religious faith"...which "brings order to a chaotic world". In other words, people so afraid that such a thing (9/11...JFK assassination...AIDS) can just "happen"...that they'd rather see an "EVIL order to the cosmos"....than none at all.
 
GordonGecko said:
Anny

1. I don't think America ever was a true "empire", given for much of the post-WW-2 period we really didn't "control" Europe, Africa was all over the place, South America were just dictators who we tolerated, and Asia was a toss-up between us, the Soviets, the Indians, the Chinese and later, economic power of the Japanese (and Chinese). When we tried it...like propping up the South Vietnamese scumbags we liked....it flopped.

Plus we just aren't very interested in it....Americans are by nature isolationists (comes from imagining ourselves better than everybody else and not wanting to "dirty our hands" by having to deal with "you people".) Pre-WW2, aside from the Spanish-American War, nobody wanted to "plant the American flag" in other countries. We got Cuba in that war and GAVE IT BACK (though always with the promise of a guy who'd buy Bell Telephone and Standard Oil from our friends in the corporate world).


2. I don't buy 9/11 Conspiracy theories...I don't buy hardly any conspiracy theoreis.

I think they are a secular/political means of creatinig a form of "religious faith"...which "brings order to a chaotic world". In other words, people so afraid that such a thing (9/11...JFK assassination...AIDS) can just "happen"...that they'd rather see an "EVIL order to the cosmos"....than none at all.
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America never did have an Empire, America was born out of Empire though...this is what I am getting at .......the morfing from our sense of the powers of Nationhood to realising this World is no longer divided by Nationhood powers but by other 'unseen' powers ...nope not the bloody Illuminti ..... and yup it is just the same as it always was but there is no 'Earthing' of or to it.

I know how you feel about 9/11 you don't want to believe nor look at the alternatives ........you are a simple fella really eh Rep :) you like a simple life, no complications, pipe and slippers man really :) xxxx

There are some who make a career out of an alternative way of looking at things .......that is not to say they are always wrong ....for there actually are underlying currents, there always have been .........
 
NightSwimmer said:
I won't dive into the bottomless pit of 9/11 conspiracy theories, but I will say this much: The absolute absence of a military response to the events of 9/11 can only point to one of two things.

1. Our military forces are (or, at least, were) totally inept and unprepared for an attack on our homeland.

2. Complicity on the part of our highest military leadership in allowing the events of 9/11 to occur.
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There is, of course, a more rational explanation. Even once fighters were scrambled, local commanders would not take it on their own authority to shoot down jets full of innocent civilians. By the time that decision could be made by higher authorities, the events of the day were over.

I'm sure I'll now be served the standard "no plane hit the Pentagon, it wasn't commercial jets that hit the WTC, the WTC was blown up by explosives" drivel that surrounds the "truther" movement.
 
trapdoor said:
There is, of course, a more rational explanation. Even once fighters were scrambled, local commanders would not take it on their own authority to shoot down jets full of innocent civilians. By the time that decision could be made by higher authorities, the events of the day were over.

I'm sure I'll now be served the standard "no plane hit the Pentagon, it wasn't commercial jets that hit the WTC, the WTC was blown up by explosives" drivel that surrounds the "truther" movement.
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If you have questions and would like to find the answers to them, you follow the facts .....sometimes you just find more questions, sometimes you find answers sometimes you don't. But you are a fool if you fit the 'facts' to answer your question as you would like them to be answered.
Let every one find their own way ................ be it to truth or propoganda, we still have a little of our freedom of thought left intact, or not ?
 
that there is a totally ignorant analysis that is consistent with the bird eye's view of an ostrich hiding his head in the sand.

the pentagon comes equipped with anti-aircraft guns capable of taking out fighter jets... duh! One commercial jet would have been downed with such ease, it isn't funny... would have, if the defense hadn't stood down... not a single shot was fired.

It might also surprise you to learn that protocol had been in place for fighter response to hi-jackings, which response was common practice, but also stood down on 09/11... not a single intercept was made.

09/11 was more than just staged attacks, it was mass hypnosis. The LIVE coverage of the day's events are still available online at youtube, you can go back and view the wreckage at the pentagon and Shanksville, PA... you can listen to every single reporter say plainly, "there's no commercial jet here" ... but you refuse to do that while you pretend those commercial jets were there. Not very logical.
 
Days said:
that there is a totally ignorant analysis that is consistent with the bird eye's view of an ostrich hiding his head in the sand.

the pentagon comes equipped with anti-aircraft guns capable of taking out fighter jets... duh! One commercial jet would have been downed with such ease, it isn't funny... would have, if the defense hadn't stood down... not a single shot was fired. [\quote]

Laughable. I've worked in the Pentagon. There is no anti-aircraft artillery there.


09/11 was more than just staged attacks, it was mass hypnosis. The LIVE coverage of the day's events are still available online at youtube, you can go back and view the wreckage at the pentagon and Shanksville, PA... you can listen to every single reporter say plainly, "there's no commercial jet here" ... but you refuse to do that while you pretend those commercial jets were there. Not very logical.
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There was no commercial jet there because a commercial jet is basically an aluminum bubble. If you drive one into the ground (or a reinforced concrete structure) at 400 mph, it ceases to exist in any recognizable form.

But let's, ad argumento, say you're correct. What happened to the passengers on those commercial jets, some of whom were rich, famous and damned hard to make disappear?
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Your post is incorrect.

We weren't "outwitted". Our enabling laws, lax immigration policies, lax standard for boarding planes with bladed weapons, and the Air Force and Dick Cheney had no help on stand-by, no armed flight captains, no secured cockpits, and no air marshalls made all of this possible.

A raccoon doesn't "outwit" you by opening your garbage can, he takes what you give him.
 
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