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Aaron Alexis: WHY was he allowed to own a gun?

Bo-4

Bo-4

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Oh i know, too soon to talk about more extensive mental and criminal background checks ... right cons?
  • Heavy drinker with confirmed mental issues who sat around his place wearing headphones playing violent video games.
  • Treated for paranoia and hearing voices in his head
  • Serious anger management issues
  • Kicked out of Navy for repeated incidents and arrests
  • Fired a shot into his ceiling into the apartment above him because the lady was making too much noise. He'd threatened her prior and she was "scared to death of him".
  • Shot two tires out of a construction workers car next door in Seattle and was released on the condition that he not have anymore contact with him.. that's it --- REALLY?
THIS guy was allowed to work with Navy computer systems and had access --- SERIOUSLY? MEH!! :mad:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2422616/Aaron-Alexis-identified-DC-Navy-Yard-shooter.html
 
evidently, scales of justice way out of balance. Haven't read final of charges/conviction in Seattle, Texas=accidental discharge........somebody/someone didn't follow the laws and we see the rest of the story.

I haven't read if the GUN/s he had were legally purchased, of course they saying the handgun he took from a dead cop.......first report I heard it was the AR-15.....maybe someday in the future they will report the facts..........?

Yeah, how did he get the job........someone didn't do a very well background check, esp for the job he had and where it was............PC America, maybe.
 
Bo-4 said:
Oh i know, too soon to talk about more extensive mental and criminal background checks ... right cons?
  • Heavy drinker with confirmed mental issues who sat around his place wearing headphones playing violent video games.
  • Treated for paranoia and hearing voices in his head
  • Serious anger management issues
  • Kicked out of Navy for repeated incidents and arrests
  • Fired a shot into his ceiling into the apartment above him because the lady was making too much noise. He'd threatened her prior and she was "scared to death of him".
  • Shot two tires out of a construction workers car next door in Seattle and was released on the condition that he not have anymore contact with him.. that's it --- REALLY?
THIS guy was allowed to work with Navy computer systems and had access --- SERIOUSLY? MEH!! :mad:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2422616/Aaron-Alexis-identified-DC-Navy-Yard-shooter.html
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Given the now known list of issues (and presumably known to any who sought to find it, before)...I think the better question is...how is it that the exisiting system of checks failed so miserably, that a man with that list of issues (that every hack journalist found out in mere hours) was alowed clearance onto a naval base?

fail.
 
At least one gun was legally purchased:
Authorities investigating Monday’s D.C. shooting spree believe the gunman brought a shotgun, legally purchased from a suburban Virginia gun shop, to the Navy Yard and acquired additional weapons at the scene, according to three law enforcement officials.

The officials said Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, Texas, a 34-year-old discharged Navy engineer, entered the building with a Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun that he’d purchased last week in Lorton, Va., and was later found with two additional weapons, a Glock handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-have-picked-and-used-victimsw/#ixzz2f9uXU12j
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

But it wasn't an "assault rifle."

There is a distinct conflict in American law -- HEPA says we have a right to medical privacy. Another laws says our mental health records can be reviewed by the state to determine if we can exercise our civil right to keep and bear arms.
 
PhilFish said:
Given the now known list of issues (and presumably known to any who sought to find it, before)...I think the better question is...how is it that the exisiting system of checks failed so miserably, that a man with that list of issues (that every hack journalist found out in mere hours) was alowed clearance onto a naval base?

fail.
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...no kidding - this in of itself is unbelievable...
 
PhilFish said:
Given the now known list of issues (and presumably known to any who sought to find it, before)...I think the better question is...how is it that the exisiting system of checks failed so miserably, that a man with that list of issues (that every hack journalist found out in mere hours) was alowed clearance onto a naval base?

fail.
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Well that too but Bo's question as well. Both of you have good questions and the answer should be that both need to be addressed.
 
trapdoor said:
At least one gun was legally purchased:
Authorities investigating Monday’s D.C. shooting spree believe the gunman brought a shotgun, legally purchased from a suburban Virginia gun shop, to the Navy Yard and acquired additional weapons at the scene, according to three law enforcement officials.

The officials said Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, Texas, a 34-year-old discharged Navy engineer, entered the building with a Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun that he’d purchased last week in Lorton, Va., and was later found with two additional weapons, a Glock handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-have-picked-and-used-victimsw/#ixzz2f9uXU12j
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

But it wasn't an "assault rifle."

There is a distinct conflict in American law -- HEPA says we have a right to medical privacy. Another laws says our mental health records can be reviewed by the state to determine if we can exercise our civil right to keep and bear arms.
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there is no conflict with hipaa. it allows for use and disclosure of individuals health information in certain contexts and situations. I would say mental competence as relates gun purchace would fall under this.
 
PhilFish said:
there is no conflict with hipaa. it allows for use and disclosure of individuals health information in certain contexts and situations. I would say mental competence as relates gun purchace would fall under this.
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In all honestly, I agree with you up to a point. I wouldn't want a person to be denied their constitutional rights without due process, an appeals process to appeal a diagnosis, and a rights reinstatement process if a problem has been brought under control.
 
trapdoor said:
In all honestly, I agree with you up to a point. I wouldn't want a person to be denied their constitutional rights without due process, an appeals process to appeal a diagnosis, and a rights reinstatement process if a problem has been brought under control.
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hipaa also has the following caveat...

..and to protect the public's health and well being..
so, I have no problem with the proper application and maintenance of privacy WHILE ascertainign that somebody seeking to buy gun(s) is deemed not a risk to go batshit crazy.
 
Dawg said:
evidently, scales of justice way out of balance. Haven't read final of charges/conviction in Seattle, Texas=accidental discharge........somebody/someone didn't follow the laws and we see the rest of the story.

I haven't read if the GUN/s he had were legally purchased, of course they saying the handgun he took from a dead cop.......first report I heard it was the AR-15.....maybe someday in the future they will report the facts..........?

Yeah, how did he get the job........someone didn't do a very well background check, esp for the job he had and where it was............PC America, maybe.
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The shocking thing? Booted from Navy for "repeated arrests" and he was allowed to work on their computer systems as an independent contractor with access?

No wonder "military intelligence" is considered by many to be a conflict in terms!
 
Bo-4 said:
Oh i know, too soon to talk about more extensive mental and criminal background checks ... right cons?
  • Heavy drinker with confirmed mental issues who sat around his place wearing headphones playing violent video games.
  • Treated for paranoia and hearing voices in his head
  • Serious anger management issues
  • Kicked out of Navy for repeated incidents and arrests
  • Fired a shot into his ceiling into the apartment above him because the lady was making too much noise. He'd threatened her prior and she was "scared to death of him".
  • Shot two tires out of a construction workers car next door in Seattle and was released on the condition that he not have anymore contact with him.. that's it --- REALLY?
THIS guy was allowed to work with Navy computer systems and had access --- SERIOUSLY? MEH!! :mad:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2422616/Aaron-Alexis-identified-DC-Navy-Yard-shooter.html
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And we have all of this information about him from multiple news sources within 24 hours of the shootings.

Makes me wonder why, with the gun laws we do have on our books, none of this stuff was known when he got his security clearance OR when he went out to buy a gun. WTH are laws for if they are not enforced?
 
PhilFish said:
hipaa also has the following caveat...

..and to protect the public's health and well being..
so, I have no problem with the proper application and maintenance of privacy WHILE ascertainign that somebody seeking to buy gun(s) is deemed not a risk to go batshit crazy.
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As I said -- due process. If I'm denied my right to a firearm, I want to be able to appeal, and I want to be able to have the right restored upon the approval of qualified authority.
 
trapdoor said:
As I said -- due process. If I'm denied my right to a firearm, I want to be able to appeal, and I want to be able to have the right restored upon the approval of qualified authority.
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Yeah, who's to say trapdoor is crazy on my say alone!?!? ;0)

I only ratted you out once trapper.
 
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