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About Bundy

Wahbooz

Governor
from the Southwest Journal:

As stated above, grazing permits do not equate to grazing or property rights and must be weighed in light of new laws, competing interests for present and future generations, and can be altered and/or revoked in lieu of changing circumstances. Those changing circumstances came in the early 1990s when the desert tortoise was listed as endangered. In response, the BLM modified Cliven Bundy’s Bunkerville allotment to protect the tortoise. As you will remember, along with the Taylor Grazing Act, the BLM is also beholden to the Endangered Species Act. By law, they are required to protect species, as well as manage grazing allotments. They were doing their job. Mr. Bundy, however, didn’t like the grazing permit change and rejected the new grazing permit on grounds that he did not recognize the law or the legal authority of the BLM to change the permit. He stopped paying his grazing fees and continued to allow his cattle to not only graze on the Bunkerville allotment, but allowed them to graze on federal land as far as the Lake Mead Recreation Area.

http://thesouthwestjournal.wordpres...st-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-171

And yet another attempt to paint Bundy as the same as Native people. What a joke.

One word spreading through Bundy supporters and his armed guards is that what the federal government is doing to Bundy is exactly what they did to native Americans.

"They are literally treating western United States citizens, ranchers, rural folks like this- are the modern day Indians. We're being driven off of our lands. We're being forced into reservations known as cities," Justin Giles, an Oathkeeper from Alaska, said.


http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny
 
The Mormons have special rights to the land that was once occupied by the Lamanites. This right of ownership was given by God himself, and no human authority has dominion over what has been decreed by God.

Pretty simple, really. ;)

A few years ago I researched my family ancestry. My mothers side, a grand bunch of Irishmen, were astounded when I discovered that the family line wasn't Irish...it was French, migrated to Ireland as part of the Norman invasion.....but they actually weren't even French....they originated as Danish Vikings, raiding the coast of France. To make peace the French king made a deal....I'll make you a Duke if you only quit looting and pillaging your way up and down the Normandy coast. You'll get a bunch of peasants to pay you some part of what they produce and you pay me....

So there you have it....go back far enough and there are no good guys. The potato famine made them look like the victims of the Brits being forced off their lands, but they stole the land in the first place. Over time the invaders become the victims and do their best to get sympathy for their current plight.
 
A few years ago I researched my family ancestry. My mothers side, a grand bunch of Irishmen, were astounded when I discovered that the family line wasn't Irish...it was French, migrated to Ireland as part of the Norman invasion.....but they actually weren't even French....they originated as Danish Vikings, raiding the coast of France. To make peace the French king made a deal....I'll make you a Duke if you only quit looting and pillaging your way up and down the Normandy coast. You'll get a bunch of peasants to pay you some part of what they produce and you pay me....

So there you have it....go back far enough and there are no good guys. The potato famine made them look like the victims of the Brits being forced off their lands, but they stole the land in the first place. Over time the invaders become the victims and do their best to get sympathy for their current plight.


If we could locate the Garden of Eden, then we would have found the only parcel of land on the planet for which there exists a documented right of indigenous ownership. ;)
 
Why is it that those who claim to be Indians support big government?
Why are you defending a system that tried to exterminate a race of people? Your people.

Are you out of your mind? It was the people, 'Manifest Destiny', that drove the government in the first place. Take the Shoshone in Utah. It wasn't the government that was the source of the destruction of their lives, it was white settlers.

http://www.ilovehistory.utah.gov/people/first_peoples/tribes/shoshone.html

But where the Federal government, or the State government, step on Native rights, I am just another voice in the fight against it. I always have been and always will be. Bundy is not standing on solid legal ground. If you can't see what he is doing, that is your problem.
 
Are you out of your mind? It was the people, 'Manifest Destiny', that drove the government in the first place. Take the Shoshone in Utah. It wasn't the government that was the source of the destruction of their lives, it was white settlers.

http://www.ilovehistory.utah.gov/people/first_peoples/tribes/shoshone.html

But where the Federal government, or the State government, step on Native rights, I am just another voice in the fight against it. I always have been and always will be. Bundy is not standing on solid legal ground. If you can't see what he is doing, that is your problem.
All that blather and nothing of substance nor did it answer my question

Why is it that those who claim to be Indians support big government?
 
In this particular situation the Federal government is right. And no one, NO ONE, is going to use my disdain for the feds to their benefit.

THE BUNDY SITUATION IS IN NO WAY SIMILAR TO NATIVE ISSUES.
 
Nothing will answer your question because your mindset is fvcked up. Cheer on Bundy all you want, I will not.
Any kind of answer would be an answer you haven't even done that I asked
Why is it that those who claim to be Indians support big government?
Why are you defending a system that tried to exterminate a race of people? Your people.
 
Any kind of answer would be an answer you haven't even done that I asked
Why is it that those who claim to be Indians support big government?
Why are you defending a system that tried to exterminate a race of people? Your people.

Like I said, you with your claim bullshit can kiss my ass.

You can't comprehend the rule of law. So go waste your time elsewhere.
 
Like I said, you with your claim bullshit can kiss my ass.

Who was that democrat who claimed to be an Indian? Can't recall her name.
But still back to the question
How can you as an Indian support a federal government that stole your land tried to exterminate your people placed you on a reservation and starved your people half to death. Disarmed you no justice in the court system. How can you support it?
 
Yes I get it you think he is, but what I don't get is how you can support the federal government after all the evil things it's done to your people. That is if you are an Indian.

One more time, dipstick, and try to catch up this time. They are right in this instance. If they were wrong I would not support them. My support is not determined, unlike many of you, by which party is in control. My support or opposition is determined by whether they are right or not.

Now, do you get that, or is that above your pay grade?

And if I'm an Indian? Kiss my ass. I'm Anishnaabe, Indians live in India.
 
One more time, dipstick, and try to catch up this time. They are right in this instance. If they were wrong I would not support them. My support is not determined, unlike many of you, by which party is in control. My support or opposition is determined by whether they are right or not.

Now, do you get that, or is that above your pay grade?

And if I'm an Indian? Kiss my ass. I'm Anishnaabe, Indians live in India.
I've seen where you have supported the federal government on other things. Oh you're a foreigner with a contradictory avatar.
 
I've seen where you have supported the federal government on other things. Oh you're a foreigner with a contradictory avatar.

If you're trying to insult me, you're wasting your time. If you're looking for attention, you're wasting my time. I could care less what you think of me, moron.

I have supported the government on issues I felt they were right about, so what? Are you claiming to be some kind of disenfranchised dictator. The 'Gubmint' took some special position in life for you? Or perhaps my comment about political stance tickled a nerve in your biased body. So what, why should I care.

You really are boring me.
 
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