About that Vegetarian Diet

[Wahbooz]

I pull a name out of the past, in the person of Johnny Weismuller. Weismuller went to the John Harvey Kellogg sanitarium, in battle creek, Michigan in the 1920's, dedicated the 120 ft pool, and broke his own record after adopting Kelloggs holistic lifestyle and vegetarian diet. In all, Weismuller never lost a race during his amateur career, which spanned 52 U.S. records, and set 67 world records. He won gold in the 100 and 400 meter freestyle, and the 4 x 200 freestyle, in the 1924 Paris Olympics, and then won gold in the 100, and the 4 x 200 meter freestyle at the 1928 Amsterdam Olympics.

Other than being 'blessed' with a 'serious heart condition'. Weismuller was the picture of health and strength.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Heh!

Kellogg was big on enemas. Vegetarianism... Not so much.

 

[LanceFreeman]

I pull a name out of the past, in the person of Johnny Weismuller. Weismuller went to the John Harvey Kellogg sanitarium, in battle creek, Michigan in the 1920's, dedicated the 120 ft pool, and broke his own record after adopting Kelloggs holistic lifestyle and vegetarian diet. In all, Weismuller never lost a race during his amateur career, which spanned 52 U.S. records, and set 67 world records. He won gold in the 100 and 400 meter freestyle, and the 4 x 200 freestyle, in the 1924 Paris Olympics, and then won gold in the 100, and the 4 x 200 meter freestyle at the 1928 Amsterdam Olympics.
Other than being 'blessed' with a 'serious heart condition'. Weismuller was the picture of health and strength.

What about Jim Thorpe, Wahbooz? Now, there was a man to be studied. Any clue about his diet?

 

[lupehernandezdepedajack]

What about Jim Thorpe, Wahbooz? Now, there was a man to be studied. Any clue about his diet?

I understand he was real big on juicing

 

[PhilFish]

What about Jim Thorpe, Wahbooz? Now, there was a man to be studied. Any clue about his diet?

dunno about the diet. but the town in his name is quite nice. particularly in the fall

 

[NightSwimmer]

What about Jim Thorpe, Wahbooz? Now, there was a man to be studied. Any clue about his diet?

I hear it included a great deal of ethanol.

 

[Wahbooz]

Heh!

Kellogg was big on enemas. Vegetarianism... Not so much.

Kellogg was big on a lot of things. But Weismuller broke his own record after following Kelloggs regime.

By the way Joe Weider, if you know who he is, laughed at the idea a man can not build muscle on vegetables.

 

[Wahbooz]

What about Jim Thorpe, Wahbooz? Now, there was a man to be studied. Any clue about his diet?

I don't know if there is any real information on Thorpe, that anyone can actually point to. He was a controversy, and I doubt he was seriously researched by anyone. but my guess, being from Indian Territory, Oklahoma, and being Sac and Fox, that his diet contained a lot of vegetables. No matter how difficult times were, back then, we could always save seed and plant them; so we relied heavily on vegetables. And the occasional fish.

Plus Thorpe was in residential school, Haskell and Carlisle where he met Pop Warner; so I'd say whatever the normal menu was, that was what he spent a large portion of his growing years on.

 

[Wahbooz]

I understand he was real big on juicing

That's sick.

Try walking a mile in his shoes.

 

[Wahbooz]

Here ya go, Thorpe's diet.

newspaper headings such as "Indians Scalp Army 27–6" or "Jim Thorpe on Rampage"

and

The first notice of Thorpe in the New York Times was headlined "Indian Thorpe in Olympiad; Redskin from Carlisle Will Strive for Place on American Team."

His accomplishments were described in a similar racial context by other newspapers and sportswriters throughout his life.

 

[NightSwimmer]

I don't know if there is any real information on Thorpe, that anyone can actually point to. He was a controversy, and I doubt he was seriously researched by anyone. but my guess, being from Indian Territory, Oklahoma, and being Sac and Fox, that his diet contained a lot of vegetables. No matter how difficult times were, back then, we could always save seed and plant them; so we relied heavily on vegetables. And the occasional fish.

Plus Thorpe was in residential school, Haskell and Carlisle where he met Pop Warner; so I'd say whatever the normal menu was, that was what he spent a large portion of his growing years on.

I read his biography when I was younger. His parents were both of mixed ancestry. he was raised as a Catholic. His father had an Irish father and Sac and Fox mother. His mother had a French father and a Potawatomi mother. His mother died when he was young and his father sent him to a boarding school because he refused to attend classes at the local school and kept running away. He also quit boarding school, but when he was 16, he came home to his father and decided to attend a technical school in Pennsylvania. That's where he met Pop Warner and began his football career. His father died from a wound he received in a hunting accident while he was at school in Pennsylvania. I doubt that his father would have been hunting had he been a vegetarian.

 

[NightSwimmer]

That's sick.

Try walking a mile in his shoes.

I don't think that was meant as a steroid reference. Don't think there were any steroids back then. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Lupe extolling the virtues of juicing in other threads. Juicing, as in fruit and vegetable juice.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Kellogg was big on a lot of things. But Weismuller broke his own record after following Kelloggs regime.

By the way Joe Weider, if you know who he is, laughed at the idea a man can not build muscle on vegetables.

Kellogg was kind of a new-age fruitcake before his time. We'll never know whether Weissmuller would have performed better, or worse, had he not attended the Kellogg Sanitarium.

 

[LanceFreeman]

Here ya go, Thorpe's diet.
newspaper headings such as "Indians Scalp Army 27–6" or "Jim Thorpe on Rampage"and
The first notice of Thorpe in the New York Times was headlined "Indian Thorpe in Olympiad; Redskin from Carlisle Will Strive for Place on American Team."
His accomplishments were described in a similar racial context by other newspapers and sportswriters throughout his life.

Thorpe was an interesting man, and a great all-round athlete. When the King of Norway presented him with a Gold Medal at the 1912 Olympic Games, he replied: 'Thank you, King'. I thought that was neat.

I believe Burt Lancaster starred in a movie based on Thorpe's life story in the 1950's. Although I liked Burt Lancaster as an actor, I thought he was wrongly cast as Jim Thorpe. I would have been happier with an actor that looked Amerindian (not Jay Silverheels).

 

[Wahbooz]

I don't think that was meant as a steroid reference. Don't think there were any steroids back then. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Lupe extolling the virtues of juicing in other threads. Juicing, as in fruit and vegetable juice.

No, I'm sure Lupe was referring to his bouts with alcoholism in his later years.

 

[Wahbooz]

I read his biography when I was younger. His parents were both of mixed ancestry. he was raised as a Catholic. His father had an Irish father and Sac and Fox mother. His mother had a French father and a Potawatomi mother. His mother died when he was young and his father sent him to a boarding school because he refused to attend classes at the local school and kept running away. He also quit boarding school, but when he was 16, he came home to his father and decided to attend a technical school in Pennsylvania. That's where he met Pop Warner and began his football career. His father died from a wound he received in a hunting accident while he was at school in Pennsylvania. I doubt that his father would have been hunting had he been a vegetarian.

Do you realize that Native people rely heavily on vegetables? Sure we hunt, but the bulk of our diet is vegetables. First of all, in many states we've been barred from our treaty rights of hunting and fishing, so we had to live off the land; and being raised in Indian Territory, I'm sure Thorpe was under the same kind of oppression. By the way, that technical school was in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. It was a residential school for Indians, and POP was the coach.

 

[Wahbooz]

Kellogg was kind of a new-age fruitcake before his time. We'll never know whether Weissmuller would have performed better, or worse, had he not attended the Kellogg Sanitarium.

That is something you can only speculate on, but I do know Weismuller paid homage to Kelloggs regime.

 

[Wahbooz]

Thorpe was an interesting man, and a great all-round athlete. When the King of Norway presented him with a Gold Medal at the 1912 Olympic Games, he replied: 'Thank you, King'. I thought that was neat.

I believe Burt Lancaster starred in a movie based on Thorpe's life story in the 1950's. Although I liked Burt Lancaster as an actor, I thought he was wrongly cast as Jim Thorpe. I would have been happier with an actor that looked Amerindian (not Jay Silverheels).

Well Burt Lancaster followed an age old tradition of whites playing Native Americans in movies, and Jay Silverheels was the most visible Native actor of that time, and the first Native to get a starring role. I liked Jay Silverheels, I just didn't like the way he had to play the Lone Rangers stereotypical sidekick. Other than Silverheels, what Native actor could have been picked for the role? Even Iron Eyes Cody wasn't Native American, he was Sicilian.

 

[LanceFreeman]

Well Burt Lancaster followed an age old tradition of whites playing Native Americans in movies, and Jay Silverheels was the most visible Native actor of that time, and the first Native to get a starring role. I liked Jay Silverheels, I just didn't like the way he had to play the Lone Rangers stereotypical sidekick. Other than Silverheels, what Native actor could have been picked for the role? Even Iron Eyes Cody wasn't Native American, he was Sicilian.

I would never have guessed that Iron Eyes Cody was Sicilian. But you are right: there was no other Native actor they could have casted for that role--at that time. I still have to smile when I think back to a blue-eyed Chuck Connors playing 'Geronimo'.

 

[Wahbooz]

I would never have guessed that Iron Eyes Cody was Sicilian. But you are right: there was no other Native actor they could have casted for that role--at that time. I still have to smile when I think back to a blue-eyed Chuck Connors playing 'Geronimo'.

How about Rock Hudson?

Iron Eyes had a lot of people fooled, and he did look the part.