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About them darned polls

Gramps

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I do not put much faith in polls. I have been involved with the taking of and the interpretting of polls and can understand that the purpose for polls has as much to do with influencing people's intentions as it does calculating what they intend to do. Polls are primed like a thirsty well to pay-off the results they want (a temporary slurp) instead of indicating how much water the well contains. Geeographics are a favorite tool of pollsters and play into the where as much as anything else to arrive at stats -- even on a small scale. An example is the town where I live. There are the customary two sides of the track and pollster only need to be selective which side of the tracks they make inquiries to bend the results favorably one way or the other. Take the farm belt as an example -- ask the farmer if you want to put a rightwing outcome on the poll or the urban dweller for an opposing view.

BUT the results can whittle away at the intentions of readers by suggesting their candidate is either favored or not as popular as they thought and as a result change a few dense minds.

I've had enough hands-on experience with polling and other sorts of politicking ploys to realize that man-on-the-street interviews are staged more often than not but made to appear a random cross-section event. Polls are a tool, a very important tool (from the sponser's point of view) for influencing the outcome of an election but can be statistically flawed by the pollster who in most cases is on someone's payroll and who will do as directed to earn his paycheck. As for volunteers who do the polling, well even though no money changes hands for their services they can be rewarded in many ways where their futures with a party are a consideration.

Politics is no different than sporting events that Lombardi described by explaining, "winning isn't everything, it is the ONLY thing" that matters.

But, I suspect you already knew this even if you refuse to believe it.

Gramps
 
Live by the poll, die by the poll, Gramps.

The Right was fed TONS of Rasmussen polls in the months leading upto Election Day 2008...all favorable to McCain. Then "miraculously" just 2 weeks before the election, Rasmussen told his viewers "the numbers have firmed up" and put Obama ahead so that he could claim "accuracy" for the non-election years. And all his previous "McCain up by big margins in Mississippi" polls suddenly were "forgotten".
 
Gordon----Just in:

Romney/RayGun Memory is ahead BY SEVEN POINTS!!!!!!!! in Florida, so says our buddy RASMUSSEN!!!!

Bahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Rasmussen is a propaganda arm for the Republican party. Always was always will be.
 
I do not put much faith in polls. I have been involved with the taking of and the interpretting of polls and can understand that the purpose for polls has as much to do with influencing people's intentions as it does calculating what they intend to do. Polls are primed like a thirsty well to pay-off the results they want (a temporary slurp) instead of indicating how much water the well contains. Geeographics are a favorite tool of pollsters and play into the where as much as anything else to arrive at stats -- even on a small scale. An example is the town where I live. There are the customary two sides of the track and pollster only need to be selective which side of the tracks they make inquiries to bend the results favorably one way or the other. Take the farm belt as an example -- ask the farmer if you want to put a rightwing outcome on the poll or the urban dweller for an opposing view.

BUT the results can whittle away at the intentions of readers by suggesting their candidate is either favored or not as popular as they thought and as a result change a few dense minds.

I've had enough hands-on experience with polling and other sorts of politicking ploys to realize that man-on-the-street interviews are staged more often than not but made to appear a random cross-section event. Polls are a tool, a very important tool (from the sponser's point of view) for influencing the outcome of an election but can be statistically flawed by the pollster who in most cases is on someone's payroll and who will do as directed to earn his paycheck. As for volunteers who do the polling, well even though no money changes hands for their services they can be rewarded in many ways where their futures with a party are a consideration.

Politics is no different than sporting events that Lombardi described by explaining, "winning isn't everything, it is the ONLY thing" that matters.

But, I suspect you already knew this even if you refuse to believe it.

Gramps

Well I agree some and I disagree some. First off, you appear to be referring to internal polling done by the party or the campaign. There is external polling as well, where they at least try a little harder to not take a side. But I agree there are so many variables at work that putting too much faith in any one poll is usually asking to be disappointed. You have to consider the polling in aggregate and try to discern what the broad trends are. My sense is that, overall, the polling is telling us that Mitt's chances are getting better...
 
Well I agree some and I disagree some.

If the poll is favorable to President Obama...Lukey agrees some. Don't put any faith in polls.

If the poll is unfavorable to President Obama....Lukey disagees some. Put your faith in polls.

:)
 
If the poll is favorable to President Obama...Lukey agrees some. Don't put any faith in polls.

If the poll is unfavorable to President Obama....Lukey disagees some. Put your faith in polls.

:)

i think when I outlined my thinking I was quite clear. I think it's funny how you guys think restating my position as something it clearly is not somehow refutes it.
 
yeah about those polls...you may have a point...when they say your aprty is up...your are just giddy and cant wait to share the numbers


How about 40 percent of Democrat primary voters in AR KY WV voting for someone else including a felon in WV other than Obama.
 
Rasmussen and Fox heavily skew Real Clear Politics so in a way Garbage In Garbage Out.... But I agree Real Clear is the best out there.
 
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