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Analysis / Reckless Kerry risks causing escalation

MrMike

Bless you all
Interesting assessment. Foreign policy competence is certainly not a strong point for the Obama regime. But then again the are fellow Muslims after all so I doubt it's by accident. ;)

Analysis / Reckless Kerry risks causing escalation
If Israel is forced to undertake an expanded ground operation, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry.
By Ari Shavit | 02:16 28.07.14 |

The moderate wing in the Israeli security cabinet is led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon. These two territorialist hawks are operational doves: They have no desire to conquer Gaza, or to cut it up, or to enter the population centers of Gaza. They are very afraid of shedding Israeli blood and also of a sudden collapse of international legitimacy. As a result, the strategy they have adopted is to weaken Hamas and not to destroy it – to prefer a diplomatic solution over a military one, and to aspire to a long-term, stable and early as possible cease-fire.

But facing these minimalists are the expansionists: Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Economy Minister Naftali Bennett on one side, and certain senior IDF officers, too. This strange coalition is not cut from the same cloth. While the militant ministers hope to destroy Hamas, the officers are looking to penetrate deep into Hamas’ complexes to teach it a lesson it will never forget. But what the civilian hawks and the uniform-wearing hawks have in common is a desire not to stop, to advance and to derisively dismiss the notion that, in doing so, Israel is falling into a trap.

Until last weekend, the moderates held the upper hand. They felt the military achievements of Operation Protective Edge were rather good: The Iron Dome system intercepted the rocket attacks on Israel; the air force caused enormous and horrible damage in the Gaza Strip; and the ground forces destroyed 10 out of 12 offensive tunnels that threatened the Israeli communities near Gaza. At the same time, Hamas’ strategic capabilities were eroded somewhat, and the pressure on its leadership grew stronger. With proper management, the military success could have been translated to a certain extent into a significant diplomatic victory: The Egyptian initiative.

But over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ruined everything. Very senior officials in Jerusalem described the proposal that Kerry put on the table as a “strategic terrorist attack.” His decision to go hand in hand with Qatar and Turkey, and formulate a framework amazingly similar to the Hamas framework, was catastrophic. It put wind in the sails of Hamas’ political leader Khaled Meshal, allowed the Hamas extremists to overcome the Hamas moderates, and gave renewed life to the weakened regional alliance of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Obama administration proved once again that it is the best friend of its enemies, and the biggest enemy of its friends. The man of peace from Massachusetts intercepted with his own hands the reasonable cease-fire that was within reach, and pushed both the Palestinians and Israelis toward an escalation that most of them did not want.


So that is why everything now hangs in the balance. Hamas is exhausted, but fanning the flames time after time. Israel is showing restraint time after time. Netanyahu and Ya’alon are still managing a battle against those who may very well entangle Israel in a real war. But the way Kerry played into the hands of Turkey and Qatar, and the extremist Palestinians and Israelis, has created a situation that is still quite dangerous.

If Israel is forced to ultimately undertake an expanded ground operation in which dozens of young Israelis and hundreds of Palestinian civilians could lose their lives, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry. But if the escalation does not happen, instead we should remember that those who prevented it are three people the Obama administration loathes: Abdel-Fattah al-Sissi, Benjamin Netanyahu and Moshe Ya’alon.
 
Interesting assessment. Foreign policy competence is certainly not a strong point for the Obama regime. But then again the are fellow Muslims after all so I doubt it's by accident. ;)

Analysis / Reckless Kerry risks causing escalation
If Israel is forced to undertake an expanded ground operation, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry.
By Ari Shavit | 02:16 28.07.14 |

The moderate wing in the Israeli security cabinet is led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon. These two territorialist hawks are operational doves: They have no desire to conquer Gaza, or to cut it up, or to enter the population centers of Gaza. They are very afraid of shedding Israeli blood and also of a sudden collapse of international legitimacy. As a result, the strategy they have adopted is to weaken Hamas and not to destroy it – to prefer a diplomatic solution over a military one, and to aspire to a long-term, stable and early as possible cease-fire.

But facing these minimalists are the expansionists: Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Economy Minister Naftali Bennett on one side, and certain senior IDF officers, too. This strange coalition is not cut from the same cloth. While the militant ministers hope to destroy Hamas, the officers are looking to penetrate deep into Hamas’ complexes to teach it a lesson it will never forget. But what the civilian hawks and the uniform-wearing hawks have in common is a desire not to stop, to advance and to derisively dismiss the notion that, in doing so, Israel is falling into a trap.

Until last weekend, the moderates held the upper hand. They felt the military achievements of Operation Protective Edge were rather good: The Iron Dome system intercepted the rocket attacks on Israel; the air force caused enormous and horrible damage in the Gaza Strip; and the ground forces destroyed 10 out of 12 offensive tunnels that threatened the Israeli communities near Gaza. At the same time, Hamas’ strategic capabilities were eroded somewhat, and the pressure on its leadership grew stronger. With proper management, the military success could have been translated to a certain extent into a significant diplomatic victory: The Egyptian initiative.

But over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ruined everything. Very senior officials in Jerusalem described the proposal that Kerry put on the table as a “strategic terrorist attack.” His decision to go hand in hand with Qatar and Turkey, and formulate a framework amazingly similar to the Hamas framework, was catastrophic. It put wind in the sails of Hamas’ political leader Khaled Meshal, allowed the Hamas extremists to overcome the Hamas moderates, and gave renewed life to the weakened regional alliance of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Obama administration proved once again that it is the best friend of its enemies, and the biggest enemy of its friends. The man of peace from Massachusetts intercepted with his own hands the reasonable cease-fire that was within reach, and pushed both the Palestinians and Israelis toward an escalation that most of them did not want.


So that is why everything now hangs in the balance. Hamas is exhausted, but fanning the flames time after time. Israel is showing restraint time after time. Netanyahu and Ya’alon are still managing a battle against those who may very well entangle Israel in a real war. But the way Kerry played into the hands of Turkey and Qatar, and the extremist Palestinians and Israelis, has created a situation that is still quite dangerous.

If Israel is forced to ultimately undertake an expanded ground operation in which dozens of young Israelis and hundreds of Palestinian civilians could lose their lives, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry. But if the escalation does not happen, instead we should remember that those who prevented it are three people the Obama administration loathes: Abdel-Fattah al-Sissi, Benjamin Netanyahu and Moshe Ya’alon.

So you're of the opinion that a reporter form Haaretz is the guy we should have as secretary of state?

And what, exactly, do you think his expertise is? And just how loyal to US interests is he?

The bottom line is that you've chosen to parrot the views of a pretty nationalistic Israeli reporter over our own state department....
 
A) No. He's a reporter. I guess you never refer or share info from reporters yourself eh?

B) Yes I think he's pegged Kerry and OhBama pretty good.

C) I said it was interesting and probably no accident.

So you're of the opinion that a reporter form Haaretz is the guy we should have as secretary of state?

And what, exactly, do you think his expertise is? And just how loyal to US interests is he?

The bottom line is that you've chosen to parrot the views of a pretty nationalistic Israeli reporter over our own state department....
 
A) No. He's a reporter. I guess you never refer or share info from reporters yourself eh?

B) Yes I think he's pegged Kerry and OhBama pretty good.

C) I said it was interesting and probably no accident.

His opinions are exactly that. His priorities are not the same as mine and should not be the same as yours...unless you are a citizen of Israel....and no, I don't link to opinion pieces or blogs as evidence of anything supporting my opinions, unless it is from an expert in the field.....precisely because opinions are like azzholes...everybody gets one.
 
So you never link opinion pieces etc? Really?

I on the other hand appreciate the viewpoints from beyond our boundaries (note I didn't say borders since we don't enforce those).



His opinions are exactly that. His priorities are not the same as mine and should not be the same as yours...unless you are a citizen of Israel....and no, I don't link to opinion pieces or blogs as evidence of anything supporting my opinions, unless it is from an expert in the field.....precisely because opinions are like azzholes...everybody gets one.
 
So you never link opinion pieces etc? Really?

I on the other hand appreciate the viewpoints from beyond our boundaries (note I didn't say borders since we don't enforce those).

Sure you do....opinions that also criticize our president or secretary of state would be right up your alley. None the less...his opinions are motivated by what might be good for Israel and have little to do with what would be good for the US.
 
So the bolstering support of Islamofascist goals in Gaza via Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood by Kerry blunders is good for USA how?

;)

Sure you do....opinions that also criticize our president or secretary of state would be right up your alley. None the less...his opinions are motivated by what might be good for Israel and have little to do with what would be good for the US.
 
So the bolstering support of Islamofascist goals in Gaza via Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood by Kerry blunders is good for USA how?

;)

Hillary accomplished nothing as SOS and Kerry doing the same.............
 
If the article wasn't about Kerry/Obama blundering then no doubt Middleview would be on board with the assessment. This phenomena is where partisan politics is wrecking our nation and policies. We are all to blame in this.
 
So the bolstering support of Islamofascist goals in Gaza via Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood by Kerry blunders is good for USA how?

;)

So your efforts to influence government policy in the interests of Zionist world domination is good for the US how?

Of course, my statement is ridiculous...as is yours. The difference is that mine was tongue in cheek and you think you actually have a leg to stand on.
 
If the article wasn't about Kerry/Obama blundering then no doubt Middleview would be on board with the assessment. This phenomena is where partisan politics is wrecking our nation and policies. We are all to blame in this.

There were no facts in the top post. There was an opinion. He didn't say anything about what, exactly, the proposal was or how it contributes to "islamo fascist" goals.

I deal in facts, not bullshit rhetoric.

There are no heroes in the current crisis. There are people on the Hamas side who figured that killing the three Israeli kids would provoke a response...and it did. Then there were wacky Jews who figured setting a young Palestinian kid on fire would teach them a lesson....that was even dumber than the Hamas guys. So now what is the solution....you get both sides to stand down. Quit killing each other. Start working on real and permanent ways to keep people from going to war every few years.
 
Export Gazans to either Honduras, El Salvador or Chicago. They'd hardly notice the difference.

I liked his opinion and the article because I agree. Get over it. ;)

There were no facts in the top post. There was an opinion. He didn't say anything about what, exactly, the proposal was or how it contributes to "islamo fascist" goals.

I deal in facts, not bullshit rhetoric.

There are no heroes in the current crisis. There are people on the Hamas side who figured that killing the three Israeli kids would provoke a response...and it did. Then there were wacky Jews who figured setting a young Palestinian kid on fire would teach them a lesson....that was even dumber than the Hamas guys. So now what is the solution....you get both sides to stand down. Quit killing each other. Start working on real and permanent ways to keep people from going to war every few years.
 
For the record, MV is again "not defending" the Obama Administration.

:-/

Once again, RickWaaaWaaaa is back and manages to avoid making a contribution. Way to preserve your record of adding nothing at all to the debate.
 
I think there was a time when we had greater influence with Israel. Blame whomever you want to, but it seems evident that they no longer care a great deal about what we think they should do.
The blame falls on anyone who has ever stood up for no-strings-attached support of Israel. With Israel realizing that the US financial aid will keep coming, and the US will always use its veto for Israel in the Security Council, no matter what Israel does, we have limited influence. It's like raising a petulant child and giving it anything it wants no matter how it behaves. Eventually, you'll lose your influence, because it will learn there are never any consequences.
 
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