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Arab men & thier women

Citizen

Council Member
Something I have noticed abpout Arab men & how they treat thier women.

They tend to act like women are thier property

They tend to NOT let women be free to speak thier minds

They tend to dismiss any womens needs, wants or desires

They tend to believe a women doesn't have or deserve any rights

They tend to think No woman is educated

They tend to think all women should be subservient to them

Now I'm sure not all Arab men think this way, but I have observed that alot of them do.

How about you, what have you observed?
 

Citizen

Council Member
They also think women are stupid in that women don't know what it means to be pregnant.
Its funny that No right winger will come near this, yet you hear & see thier hate for the middle east & its people every day.

I'm sure they're scared of actually answering this post, as they feel it will come back to haunt thier dishonesty in the future.
 
Something I have noticed abpout Arab men & how they treat thier women.

They tend to act like women are thier property

They tend to NOT let women be free to speak thier minds

They tend to dismiss any womens needs, wants or desires

They tend to believe a women doesn't have or deserve any rights

They tend to think No woman is educated

They tend to think all women should be subservient to them

Now I'm sure not all Arab men think this way, but I have observed that alot of them do.

How about you, what have you observed?
I thing that this is a racist staement aimed at Moslem men.
 

Citizen

Council Member
I thing that this is a racist staement aimed at Moslem men.
Well I din't intend for it to be racist, I did intend for it to be an honest appraisal of some of the things I have seen from Arab men & one of the male posters here in PJ.

Wonder if you can figure out which male in PJ I am refferring to.
 

Citizen

Council Member
Something like calling them "towel heads" etc. from your side of the political spectrum?
Notice how they're all afraid to even come near this post. I would be willing to bet it's because you could actually replace the word "Arab" with "Conservative American Men"
 

Norkalein

Council Member
Notice how they're all afraid to even come near this post. I would be willing to bet it's because you could actually replace the word "Arab" with "Conservative American Men"[/QUOTE]

I'm not afraid to tackle your post. :::shrug::: I know "some" white men who treat their women the same way. In this country, it's called abuse. In the Middle East, it's culture. I really don't know what point you're trying to make. Do "some" Arab men believe they're superior to women? Yes. Do "some" White men believe they're superior to women? Yes.
 

Citizen

Council Member
Notice how they're all afraid to even come near this post. I would be willing to bet it's because you could actually replace the word "Arab" with "Conservative American Men"[/QUOTE]

I'm not afraid to tackle your post. :::shrug::: I know "some" white men who treat their women the same way. In this country, it's called abuse. In the Middle East, it's culture. I really don't know what point you're trying to make. Do "some" Arab men believe they're superior to women? Yes. Do "some" White men believe they're superior to women? Yes.
The point I intend to make is that we have a poster here in PJ that is exactly like what I top posted about, hell he even looks kind of like an Arab, I wnated to see if anyone here could make the connection. But first I had to lay the ground work, so from reading posts here in PJ do you know of a poster that does treat women they way I described in the Top Post?


I'll give you a hint, he is a Con.
 

fairsheet

Senator
Citizen - I think there IS some validity to what you suggest. The other day, I posted about listening to a Syrian "freedom fighter" making his case for why the world should involve itself in the poor Syrian people's plight. But...after delivering his sob story, the dude just couldn't resist getting in a dig at the Israelis.

A responder to my post, suggested that this tendency is in their "DNA". So too, I think that the way Arab men consider Arab women when they're IN Arab societies, is a function of virtual "DNA" as well. However, when Arab people emigrate to western cultures, I'm guessing this "understanding" goes by the wayside in no more than a generation. The emigrated Arab man may not consider his Arab wife in a manner we would deem appropriate. And, she may acquiesce to it. But...their daughter won't! ...and, she won't be takin' no shit from that Arab boy, either.
 

Norkalein

Council Member
The point I intend to make is that we have a poster here in PJ that is exactly like what I top posted about, hell he even looks kind of like an Arab, I wnated to see if anyone here could make the connection. But first I had to lay the ground work, so from reading posts here in PJ do you know of a poster that does treat women they way I described in the Top Post?


I'll give you a hint, he is a Con.

I don't read every post and I don't pay attention to the posters. I may look to see if a female or male wrote a particular post, but that's about it. I did read one very sexist post, but I don't remember who wrote it nor do I care. In my professional life, men and women have to earn respect and so we treat each other with respect because we've all climbed the same ladder. In my private life, I don't tolerate men who demean women. I figure we each have our own respective strengths and it takes both sides to make a relationship work.
 

ya-ta-hey

Mayor
Well I din't intend for it to be racist, I did intend for it to be an honest appraisal of some of the things I have seen from Arab men & one of the male posters here in PJ.

Wonder if you can figure out which male in PJ I am refferring to.
Mr. Cit,

Give Sal a break. He's just an angry, uneduated hot head.
 
http://www.alazhr.com/legislation/Chapter3.htm




WOMEN'S LIBERATION THROUGH ISLAM


Published by: The Institute of Islamic Information and education


WOMEN'S LIBERATION THROUGH ISLAM:


Today people think that women are liberated in the west and that the woman’s liberation movement began in the 20 th century. Actually, the women’s liberation movement was not begun by women but women but was revealed buy god to a man in the seventh century by the name of Muhammad (peace be upon him) who is known as the last prophet of Islam. The Qur’an and the traditions of the prophet (Hadith or Sunnah) are the sources from which every Muslim women derives her rights and duties.


I. HUMAN RIGHTS:


Islam, fourteen centuries ago, made women equally accountable to God in glorifying and worshipping Him setting no limits on her moral Progress.


Also, Islam established a woman’s equality in her humanity with men, in the Qur’an in the first verse of the chapter entitled “women” God says


“O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord who created you from a single soul and from it its mate and from them both have spread broad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in whom you claim (your rights) of one another and towards the wombs (that bore you) LO! Allah has been a watcher over you”(4:1)


Since men and women both come from the same essence, they are equal in their humanity. Women cannot be by nature evil (as some religions believe) or them men would be evil, also. Similarly, neither gender can be superior because it would be a contradiction of equality.


II. CIVIL RIGHTS:


In Islam, a woman has the basic freedoms of choice and expression based on recognition of her individual personality. First, she is free to choose her religion. The Qur’an states;


“there is no compulsion in religion. Right has been made distinct from error”. (2:256)


Women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas, There are many traditions of the Prophet (p) which indicate women would pose questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion, economics and social matters.


A Muslim woman chooses her husband and to keep her name after marriage. A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, where women are more familiar, their evidence is conclusive.


III. SOCIAL RIGHTS:


The Prophet (s) said, “seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male and female )’’. This includes knowledge of the Qur’an and the Hadith as well as other knowledge. Men and women both have the capacity for learning and understanding. Since it is also their obligation to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life Muslim women must acquire the oppropriate education to perform this duty in accordance with their own natural talents and interests.


While maintenance of a home, providing support to her husband and bearing, raising and teaching of children are among the first and very highly regarded roles for a women, if she has the skills to work outside the home for the good of the community, she may do so as long as her family obligations are met.


Islam recognizes and fosters the natural differences between men and women despite their equality. Some types of work are more suitable for men and other types for women. This in no way diminishes either’s effort nor its benefit. God will reward both sexes equally for the value of their work though it may not necessarily be the same activity.


Concerning motherhood the prophet [pbuh] said, “Heaven lies under the feet of mothers" this implies that the success of a society can be traced to the mothers that raised it. The first and greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security affection and training received from the mother therefore a woman having children must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.


IV. POLITICAL RIGHTS:


A right given to Muslim women by God 1400 years ago is the right to vote. On any public matter, a woman may voice her opinion and participate in politics. One example narrated in the Qur’an (60:12) MUHAMMAD [Pbuh] is told that when the believing women come to him and swear their allegiance to Islam he must accept their oath. This established the right of women to select their leader and publicly declare so. Finally Islam does not forbid a woman from holding important positions in government. Abdurrahman Ibn Auf consulted many women before he recommended Uthman Ibn Affan to be the caliph.


V. ECONOMIC RIGHTS:


The Qur’an states:


“by the creation of the male and female: Verily [the ends] ye strive for are diverse"(92:3-4)


In these verses, God declares that he created men and women to be different, with unique roles, functions and skills. As in society, where there is a division of labor so too in a family, each member has different responsibilities. Generally, Islam upholds that woman are entrusted with the nurturing role, and men, with the guardian role. Therefore woman are given the right of financial support.


The Qur‘an states:


”Men are the maintainers of woman because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend of their wealth (for the support of woman” (4:34)


This guardianship and greater financial responsibility is given to men requires that they provide women with not only monetary support but also physical protection and kind and respectful treatment.


Muslim woman have the privilege to earn money, the right to own property, to enter into legal contracts and to manage all of her assets in any way she pleases. She can run her own business and no one has any claim on her earnings including her husband. The Quran states:


: “and in no wise covet those things in which Allah hath bestowed his gifts more freely on some of you than on others: to men is allotted what they earn and to woman what they earn: but ask Allah of his bounty for Allah hath full knowledge of all things.” (4:32)


A woman inherits from her relatives .The Quran states:


’’For men there is a share in what parents and relatives leave and for women there is a share of what parents and relatives leave whether it be little or much an ordained share”. (4:7)


VI. RIGHTS OF A WIFE:


THE Qur’an states:


” And among His signs is that he created for you mates from among yourselves that you may live in tranquility with them and he has put love and mercy between you; Verily, in that are sings for people who reflect”. (30:21)


Marriage is therefore not just a physical or emotional necessity but in fact a sign from God! It is a relationship of mutual rights and obligations based on divine guidance God created men and women with complimentary natures and in the Qur’an, He laid out a system of laws to support harmonious interaction between the sexes “they are your garments and you are their garments.” (2:187)


Clothing provides physical protection and covers the beauty and faults of the body. Likewise, spouse is viewed this way. Each protects the other and hides the faults and compliments the characteristics of the spouse.


To foster the love and security that comes with you and security that comes with marriage, Muslim wives have various rights. The first of the wife's rights is to receive mahr, a gift from the husband which is part of the marriage contract and required for the legality of the marriage.


The second right of a wife is maintenance. Despite any wealth she may have, her husband is obligated to provide her with food, shelter and clothing. He is not forced, however, to spend beyond his capability and his wife is not entitled to make unreasonable demands. The Qur’an states:


: “Let the man of means spend according to his means and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him. Allah puts. No burden on any person beyond what he has given him.”(65:7)


God tells us men are guardians over women and are afforded the leadership in the family. His responsibility for obeying God extends to guiding his family to obey God at all times.


A wife'rights also extend beyond material needs. She has the right to kind treatment. The Prophet (pbuh) said. Go"The most perfect believers are the best in conduct. And the best of you are those who are best to their wives."d tells us He created mates and put love, mercy and tranquility between them.


Both men and women have a need for companionship and sexual needs and marriage is designed to fulfill those needs. For one spouse to deny this satisfaction to the other, temptation exists to seek it elsewhere.


VII. DUTIES OF A WIFE:


With rights come responsibilities. Therefore, wives have certain obligations to their husbands, The Qur'an states:


“The good women in the absence of their husbands guard their rights as Allah has enjoined upon them to be guarded.” (4:34)


A wife is to keep her husband's secrets and protect their marital privacy. Issues of intimacy of faults of his that would dishonor him, are not to be shared by the wife, just as he is expected to guard her honor.


A wife must also guard her husband's property. She must safeguard his home and possessions, to the best of her ability, from theft or damage. She should manage the household affairs wisely so as to prevent loss or waste. She should not allow anyone to enter the house that her husband dislikes nor incur any expenses of which her husband disapproves.


A Muslim woman must cooperate and coordinate with her husband. There cannot however, be cooperation with a man who is disobedient to God. She should not fulfill his requests if he wants her to do something unlawful. A husband also should not take advantage of his wife, but be considerate of her needs and happiness.


VIII. CONCLUSION:


The Qur'an states:


“And it becomes not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger (Muhammad) have decided on an affair (for them). That they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whose is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goes astray in error manifest,” (33:36)


The Muslim woman was given a role duties and rights 1400 years ago that most women do not enjoy today even in the west. These are from God and are designed to keep balance in society; what may seem unjust or missing in one place is compensated for or explained in another place. Islam is a complete way of life
 
Well I din't intend for it to be racist, I did intend for it to be an honest appraisal of some of the things I have seen from Arab men & one of the male posters here in PJ.

Wonder if you can figure out which male in PJ I am refferring to.
I know you didn't, It looked like Gab was having alots of fun with his single entries, I thought I would try it. I wouldn't have any idea who you were talking about.
 
I'm not afraid to tackle your post. :::shrug::: I know "some" white men who treat their women the same way. In this country, it's called abuse. In the Middle East, it's culture. I really don't know what point you're trying to make. Do "some" Arab men believe they're superior to women? Yes. Do "some" White men believe they're superior to women? Yes. [/FONT][/B]
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I don't think this is about white males as much as it's about conservatives.

Conservatives hate sex because they're horrible at it and could care less about both people having fun
 
Something like calling them "towel heads" etc. from your side of the political spectrum?
I don't think "towel heads" is racist, looking at what they wear on their heads, it's really accurate. Now if you called them a "sand flea" now that is something different.
 
Citizen - I think there IS some validity to what you suggest. The other day, I posted about listening to a Syrian "freedom fighter" making his case for why the world should involve itself in the poor Syrian people's plight. But...after delivering his sob story, the dude just couldn't resist getting in a dig at the Israelis.

A responder to my post, suggested that this tendency is in their "DNA". So too, I think that the way Arab men consider Arab women when they're IN Arab societies, is a function of virtual "DNA" as well. However, when Arab people emigrate to western cultures, I'm guessing this "understanding" goes by the wayside in no more than a generation. The emigrated Arab man may not consider his Arab wife in a manner we would deem appropriate. And, she may acquiesce to it. But...their daughter won't! ...and, she won't be takin' no $#@! from that Arab boy, either.
This idea is not only in arab socieities as far as arabs are concerned, arab bring this attitude into whatever society they live in. Look at the honor killing that have happened here in the states because of their attitudes.
 
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