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Armed Guards in Schools

Arkady

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After the Sandy Hook massacre, gun enthusiasts, looking to offer up some ideas for curbing gun violence in schools without implementing first-world-style gun control, suggested that we could put armed guards in our public schools. At the time, I ran some back-of-the-envelope numbers showing why that was impractical. In short, in order to hire decently trained guards for all our public schools, you'd be talking about a monumental cost, and even if you imagine an absurd best-case scenario for effectiveness (e.g., stopping 1/2 of all schoolhouse homicides), you still have a cost-per-life-saved that is so high as to constitute a completely impractical way to spend our money.

That may sound cold. After all, if it costs $50 million to save one innocent kindergartener's life, who am I to say that it's not worth it? But the problem, as I pointed out, is opportunity cost. If spending $5 billion to save 100 lives causes you to forego other spending options that would have saved 1000 lives with the same $5 billion, then that's a net loss of 900 lives. I think this recent story illustrates that point better than my abstract words could:

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/school_nurse_cuts_killed_my_daughter_laporshia_massey_died_because_our_priorities_are_wrong/

Basically, a girl died of asthma at a school where tight budgets meant no nurses and little training for teachers in dealing with life-threatening problems. This one struck very close to home for me, since in tenth grade one of my classmates died of an asthma attack on a school bus while our history class was on a field trip.

I don't know whether my classmate might have survived if the bus driver or teachers had been better trained to deal with such emergencies, and I don't know if the girl in that story might have lived if the school had more funding for handling medical problems. But those are statistical possibilities. And that's exactly the kind of spending you can expect to get stingier if school budgets are strained by hiring a bunch of armed guards to deal with tragic, but exceedingly rare, school killings.

You can also think of the spending-efficiency equation outside the context of direct government spending, and instead in terms of regulatory costs. For example, roughly 3400 Americans die of asthma per year, and asthma costs the country around $56 billion, in terms of medical costs and lost productivity, and every year asthma becomes alarmingly more prevalent. There are a lot of theories about why that is, but one theory has to do with declining air quality. Picture if the government could impose new air quality regulations on power plants and diesel engines, which would cost people, generally, $5 billion per year, while resulting in a 10% decline in asthma. That would more than pay for itself, indirectly (a 10% decline in the $56 billion annual asthma cost). And $5 billion is a lot less than it would cost to hire an armed guard for each of our roughly 100,000 public schools. I'm not advocating that particular regulation, but just using it to illustrate the concept of "regulatory spending" as a choice society makes that should be subject to opportunity-cost analysis, just like direct government spending.
 
After the Sandy Hook massacre, gun enthusiasts, looking to offer up some ideas for curbing gun violence in schools without implementing first-world-style gun control, suggested that we could put armed guards in our public schools.

Would you impose other non-constitutional "first-world" standards on the rights in the U.S. Constitution?

That may sound cold. After all, if it costs $50 million to save one innocent kindergartener's life, who am I to say that it's not worth it? But the problem, as I pointed out, is opportunity cost. If spending $5 billion to save 100 lives causes you to forego other spending options that would have saved 1000 lives with the same $5 billion, then that's a net loss of 900 lives. I think this recent story illustrates that point better than my abstract words could:

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/school_nurse_cuts_killed_my_daughter_laporshia_massey_died_because_our_priorities_are_wrong/

Basically, a girl died of asthma at a school where tight budgets meant no nurses and little training for teachers in dealing with life-threatening problems. This one struck very close to home for me, since in tenth grade one of my classmates died of an asthma attack on a school bus while our history class was on a field trip.

I don't know whether my classmate might have survived if the bus driver or teachers had been better trained to deal with such emergencies, and I don't know if the girl in that story might have lived if the school had more funding for handling medical problems. But those are statistical possibilities. And that's exactly the kind of spending you can expect to get stingier if school budgets are strained by hiring a bunch of armed guards to deal with tragic, but exceedingly rare, school killings.

You can also think of the spending-efficiency equation outside the context of direct government spending, and instead in terms of regulatory costs. For example, roughly 3400 Americans die of asthma per year, and asthma costs the country around $56 billion, in terms of medical costs and lost productivity, and every year asthma becomes alarmingly more prevalent. There are a lot of theories about why that is, but one theory has to do with declining air quality. Picture if the government could impose new air quality regulations on power plants and diesel engines, which would cost people, generally, $5 billion per year, while resulting in a 10% decline in asthma. That would more than pay for itself, indirectly (a 10% decline in the $56 billion annual asthma cost). And $5 billion is a lot less than it would cost to hire an armed guard for each of our roughly 100,000 public schools. I'm not advocating that particular regulation, but just using it to illustrate the concept of "regulatory spending" as a choice society makes that should be subject to opportunity-cost analysis, just like direct government spending.

The reason the "opportunity costs" in both circumstances don't merit more armed guard or effectively having a doctor on duty at every school is obvious. Deaths in school whether from an armed assailant or an asthma attack are too rare to merit the expense.

Your solution to the problem of the armed assailant is the imposition of new requirements on millions of gun owners who have harmed no one, and who are unlikely to harm anyone. You believe by inconveniencing them, or limiting the type of weapons they can own, that you can reduce the scope of a problem that already has an extremely small, and highly limited, scope.

The cost of cleaner are is already a burden on U.S. manufacture, a burden not borne by overseas competitors. Yes, by increasing that burden, you could reduce the $56 billion you cite as the cost of asthma, but you could not reduce it to zero -- and that reduction would come with a price in terms of lost jobs and lost GDP. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, in other words.
 
After the Sandy Hook massacre, gun enthusiasts, looking to offer up some ideas for curbing gun violence in schools without implementing first-world-style gun control, suggested that we could put armed guards in our public schools. At the time, I ran some back-of-the-envelope numbers showing why that was impractical. In short, in order to hire decently trained guards for all our public schools, you'd be talking about a monumental cost, and even if you imagine an absurd best-case scenario for effectiveness (e.g., stopping 1/2 of all schoolhouse homicides), you still have a cost-per-life-saved that is so high as to constitute a completely impractical way to spend our money.

That may sound cold. After all, if it costs $50 million to save one innocent kindergartener's life, who am I to say that it's not worth it? But the problem, as I pointed out, is opportunity cost. If spending $5 billion to save 100 lives causes you to forego other spending options that would have saved 1000 lives with the same $5 billion, then that's a net loss of 900 lives. I think this recent story illustrates that point better than my abstract words could:

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/school_nurse_cuts_killed_my_daughter_laporshia_massey_died_because_our_priorities_are_wrong/

Basically, a girl died of asthma at a school where tight budgets meant no nurses and little training for teachers in dealing with life-threatening problems. This one struck very close to home for me, since in tenth grade one of my classmates died of an asthma attack on a school bus while our history class was on a field trip.

I don't know whether my classmate might have survived if the bus driver or teachers had been better trained to deal with such emergencies, and I don't know if the girl in that story might have lived if the school had more funding for handling medical problems. But those are statistical possibilities. And that's exactly the kind of spending you can expect to get stingier if school budgets are strained by hiring a bunch of armed guards to deal with tragic, but exceedingly rare, school killings.

You can also think of the spending-efficiency equation outside the context of direct government spending, and instead in terms of regulatory costs. For example, roughly 3400 Americans die of asthma per year, and asthma costs the country around $56 billion, in terms of medical costs and lost productivity, and every year asthma becomes alarmingly more prevalent. There are a lot of theories about why that is, but one theory has to do with declining air quality. Picture if the government could impose new air quality regulations on power plants and diesel engines, which would cost people, generally, $5 billion per year, while resulting in a 10% decline in asthma. That would more than pay for itself, indirectly (a 10% decline in the $56 billion annual asthma cost). And $5 billion is a lot less than it would cost to hire an armed guard for each of our roughly 100,000 public schools. I'm not advocating that particular regulation, but just using it to illustrate the concept of "regulatory spending" as a choice society makes that should be subject to opportunity-cost analysis, just like direct government spending.

i am not a supporter of armed guards in schools. that said, the concept that banning any kind of rifle or handgun (automatic weapons are already completely banned) is going to make a difference is totally without foundation.

i favor licensing and insuring all classes of weapons in a manner similar to automobiles. that is sensible and appropriate to the danger the present. i do not pretend that this will reduce serial killers, the deranged, inner city drug dealers etc from firing a shot when they get the impulse.
 
After the Sandy Hook massacre, gun enthusiasts, looking to offer up some ideas for curbing gun violence in schools without implementing first-world-style gun control, suggested that we could put armed guards in our public schools. At the time, I ran some back-of-the-envelope numbers showing why that was impractical. In short, in order to hire decently trained guards for all our public schools, you'd be talking about a monumental cost, and even if you imagine an absurd best-case scenario for effectiveness (e.g., stopping 1/2 of all schoolhouse homicides), you still have a cost-per-life-saved that is so high as to constitute a completely impractical way to spend our money.

That may sound cold. After all, if it costs $50 million to save one innocent kindergartener's life, who am I to say that it's not worth it? But the problem, as I pointed out, is opportunity cost. If spending $5 billion to save 100 lives causes you to forego other spending options that would have saved 1000 lives with the same $5 billion, then that's a net loss of 900 lives. I think this recent story illustrates that point better than my abstract words could:

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/school_nurse_cuts_killed_my_daughter_laporshia_massey_died_because_our_priorities_are_wrong/

Basically, a girl died of asthma at a school where tight budgets meant no nurses and little training for teachers in dealing with life-threatening problems. This one struck very close to home for me, since in tenth grade one of my classmates died of an asthma attack on a school bus while our history class was on a field trip.

I don't know whether my classmate might have survived if the bus driver or teachers had been better trained to deal with such emergencies, and I don't know if the girl in that story might have lived if the school had more funding for handling medical problems. But those are statistical possibilities. And that's exactly the kind of spending you can expect to get stingier if school budgets are strained by hiring a bunch of armed guards to deal with tragic, but exceedingly rare, school killings.

You can also think of the spending-efficiency equation outside the context of direct government spending, and instead in terms of regulatory costs. For example, roughly 3400 Americans die of asthma per year, and asthma costs the country around $56 billion, in terms of medical costs and lost productivity, and every year asthma becomes alarmingly more prevalent. There are a lot of theories about why that is, but one theory has to do with declining air quality. Picture if the government could impose new air quality regulations on power plants and diesel engines, which would cost people, generally, $5 billion per year, while resulting in a 10% decline in asthma. That would more than pay for itself, indirectly (a 10% decline in the $56 billion annual asthma cost). And $5 billion is a lot less than it would cost to hire an armed guard for each of our roughly 100,000 public schools. I'm not advocating that particular regulation, but just using it to illustrate the concept of "regulatory spending" as a choice society makes that should be subject to opportunity-cost analysis, just like direct government spending.


Wait...I thought every school had a cop in it already? Is that only true for California high schools?
 
Would you impose other non-constitutional "first-world" standards on the rights in the U.S. Constitution?
I'm not calling for anything unconstitutional. The Second Amendment itself speaks to the necessity of regulation, when it comes to the militia, and that's what gun control involves. But this isn't meant to be a gun control thread. It's meant to look into analyzing policy choices on the basis of statistical cost-per-life-saved costs and opportunity cost.

Deaths in school whether from an armed assailant or an asthma attack are too rare to merit the expense.

This came up in the context of asthma, but more relevant would be the question of all deaths at school, since a certain portions of deaths from almost any cause could be expected to be lowered by having a school nurse on site, as a competent first-responder, if nothing else.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, in other words

That's meant to be the point of the thread. There are always costs to our decisions, whether they be direct costs, unexpected side effects, or opportunity costs of the things we can't do because of the things we did. The best we can do is do our level-headed best to look at the facts impartially and weigh the options calmly, and make our choice. Charging off an hiring a bunch of armed guards for schools, at high cost and with small benefits, scratches a certain irrational itch for the public, but it's likely to result in a net loss of lives, once you factor in opportunity cost.
 
I'm not calling for anything unconstitutional. The Second Amendment itself speaks to the necessity of regulation, when it comes to the militia, and that's what gun control involves. But this isn't meant to be a gun control thread. It's meant to look into analyzing policy choices on the basis of statistical cost-per-life-saved costs and opportunity cost.

No, the 2nd Amendment speaks of regulating the militia. It is silent on regulating the individual right to arms -- the amendment would mean the same thing if its first word were "Because." "Because a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." (This was spelled out by SCOTUS in its ruling on the individual right).

This came up in the context of asthma, but more relevant would be the question of all deaths at school, since a certain portions of deaths from almost any cause could be expected to be lowered by having a school nurse on site, as a competent first-responder, if nothing else.

I'm in favor of a competent school nurse, but school liability itself has to be addressed for that to happen. My cousin's children were never able to have peanut butter sandwiches in their lunch because some kids are allergic to peanuts. I think it makes more sense to segregate the limited people with such food allergies than to penalize all -- but schools are terrified of liability suits, for good reason.

That's meant to be the point of the thread. There are always costs to our decisions, whether they be direct costs, unexpected side effects, or opportunity costs of the things we can't do because of the things we did. The best we can do is do our level-headed best to look at the facts impartially and weigh the options calmly, and make our choice. Charging off an hiring a bunch of armed guards for schools, at high cost and with small benefits, scratches a certain irrational itch for the public, but it's likely to result in a net loss of lives, once you factor in opportunity cost.

Oh, it's unlikely to lead to a net loss of lives, but it would probably be at best a neutral factor.
 
Wait...I thought every school had a cop in it already? Is that only true for California high schools?

We don't have cops in our schools. The Baltimore City schools and some of the county schools have "resource officers" but they are not armed.

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