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Atheists, can't live with them... can't kill 'em

resident_evil

resident_evil

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Houston we have a problem:

AIR FORCE: CHRISTIANS' RELIGIOUS SPEECH NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED RIGHT
Christians in the U.S. military are being told they must forfeit their First Amendment rights. Bible verses are being erased from cadets’ personal dorm-room white boards, and military lawyers claim that legal protections for religion only pertain to matters such as clothing and growing beards but do not extend to any religious expression such as talking about one's faith or posting a Bible verse.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...-Religious-Speech-Not-Legally-Protected-Right
 
resident_evil said:
Houston we have a problem:

AIR FORCE: CHRISTIANS' RELIGIOUS SPEECH NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED RIGHT
Christians in the U.S. military are being told they must forfeit their First Amendment rights. Bible verses are being erased from cadets’ personal dorm-room white boards, and military lawyers claim that legal protections for religion only pertain to matters such as clothing and growing beards but do not extend to any religious expression such as talking about one's faith or posting a Bible verse.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...-Religious-Speech-Not-Legally-Protected-Right
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nonsense
 
But it is a legally protected right. The article says that the cadet was not made to take down the Verse from his whiteboard.
 
resident_evil said:
Houston we have a problem:

AIR FORCE: CHRISTIANS' RELIGIOUS SPEECH NOT LEGALLY PROTECTED RIGHT
Christians in the U.S. military are being told they must forfeit their First Amendment rights. Bible verses are being erased from cadets’ personal dorm-room white boards, and military lawyers claim that legal protections for religion only pertain to matters such as clothing and growing beards but do not extend to any religious expression such as talking about one's faith or posting a Bible verse.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...-Religious-Speech-Not-Legally-Protected-Right
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Maybe not atheists. Here is a problem. Your article reports the whiteboard was his personal property. Another article reports the board was in the hallway, therefore, NOT his personal property. There is the fact that soldiers give up some personal freedoms and rights as well during the period they serve.

...The Air Force leaders came under fire from Republican lawmakers over a recent incident at the Air Force Academy in which a cadet was told to remove a Bible verse from a hallway whiteboard outside his room.

“I have been crucified with Christ therefore I no longer live, but Christ lives in me,” the verse reportedly read.

The verse was taken down after Military Religious Freedom Foundation director Mikey Weinstein complained about it after being contacted by 33 people at the academy — including cadets, faculty and staff — according to a press release by MRFF.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/air-force-leaders-detail-force-cuts-defend-religion-policies-1.272814
 
gigi said:
But it is a legally protected right. The article says that the cadet was not made to take down the Verse from his whiteboard.
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It wasn't his personal whiteboard. It was in the hall...and it belongs to the Air Force Academy.
 
So does this mean that on your home or personal property a visitor to your home can't write biblical messages or for that matter any graffiti all over the front or inside your home without your approval?
 
gigi said:
It says "cadets personal dorm room whiteboards".

They didn't make him erase it anyway, either way.
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Yes...that's what the Brietbart article says.

The article I posted says otherwise.

...The Air Force leaders came under fire from Republican lawmakers over a recent incident at the Air Force Academy in which a cadet was told to remove a Bible verse from a hallway whiteboard outside his room.
 
Minotaur said:
So does this mean that on your home or personal property a visitor to your home can't write biblical messages or for that matter any graffiti all over the front or inside your home without your approval?
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Apparently, that is the slippery slope that we face.
 
Minotaur said:
So does this mean that on your home or personal property a visitor to your home can't write biblical messages or for that matter any graffiti all over the front or inside your home without your approval?
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With the military, these places ARE their homes for the duration of their service.
 
Sounds like a whole lot of nothing.... nobody asked him or ordered him to take it down, so who cares? (To be fair, I'm biased; I had some really bad experiences with Jesus freak CO's when I was in.....)
 
Naturally Breitbart "breitbarted", as Paul Harvey used to say...."the rest of the story".

There's been an issue dating back several years where the head of the Air Force academy was using the school and its facilities for fundamentalist Christian evangelism.....clearly trying to turn the Academy into a religious school.
 
This is ridiculous.. the anti-Christianity crowd will get riled up over the smallest thing just to spite the thing they can't stand.

Talk about hypersensitivity..
 
Craig said:
Yes...that's what the Brietbart article says.

The article I posted says otherwise.

...The Air Force leaders came under fire from Republican lawmakers over a recent incident at the Air Force Academy in which a cadet was told to remove a Bible verse from a hallway whiteboard outside his room.
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So it was taken down, then. If I understand this all correctly, rules can be changed to acommodate a religious need for facial hair, allowing some personnel to wear it while still forbidding others from wearing it, but a Bible Verse on a hallway whiteboard is oppressive?
 
GordonGecko said:
Naturally Breitbart "breitbarted", as Paul Harvey used to say...."the rest of the story".

There's been an issue dating back several years where the head of the Air Force academy was using the school and its facilities for fundamentalist Christian evangelism.....clearly trying to turn the Academy into a religious school.
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Is that what this cadet was doing?
 
gigi said:
Is that what this cadet was doing?
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That's the back-story on the whole Air Force Academy/evangelism thing, gigi.

BTW, the evangelism at the USAFA was by fundamentalist Protestants....you think they wouldn't try to convince CATHOLIC cadets to give up their "papistry"?
 
gigi said:
With the military, these places ARE their homes for the duration of their service.
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Well upon reading this I went back to when my son was a toddler and a cat brought a dead mouse into the house. After I screamed a few times and chased the cat I was ready to throw the dead mouse away. My baby boy with the sweetest big eyes said "Can we bury him?" We did. His dad and I carried Mr. Mouse into the back yard for a proper burial. I asked if my 2 children wished to say a prayer. My daughter sent him to wherever a dead mouse goes in style but when it was my sons turn he said the only prayer he knew, "Thank you Lord for this food we are about to receive. Amen. "

Much later he apparently found a dead frog on the grounds of an apartment we were living in before moving into our home. We lived there but many more lived there as well with different lives. There was a lovely walking bridge over the creek. He apparently buried it there with a hefty cross. It was front and center. A woman complained about it and as it turned out she had been diagnosed with late stage cancer. The cross scared the hell out of her as she struggled with accepting dying.

I removed it. I explained it to my son so he would know that he did nothing wrong but he was made aware, perhaps for the first time by an example that was of the heart, that you think about those around you and you do the right thing.
 
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