Be thou a slave:
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Woolleybugger
Mayor
The continued veneration of men who lived over 200 years ago is a personality disorder. Ole Tom was a brilliant man but he was still a chauvinist, a racist and a slave owner. His musings have about as much importance to us today as does that of Romulus to the Italians.
Truth is truth no matter who says it and no matter how long ago he said it.
degsme
Council Member
Um no not TJ - it was Ceasar Bonesana who first said this.
Note also that it simply isn't true that being armed means the assailant needs more courage. It just means they need to pre-emptively escalate the level of violence: if I THINK you might have a gun (kinda like our friend in Florida) - then I'd better shoot you rather than simply ask you for your wallet. That way its safer.
Note also that it simply isn't true that being armed means the assailant needs more courage. It just means they need to pre-emptively escalate the level of violence: if I THINK you might have a gun (kinda like our friend in Florida) - then I'd better shoot you rather than simply ask you for your wallet. That way its safer.
BobbyT
Governor
Some truths have a sell-by date. Ol' TJ never heard of 30-clip magazines. What's false here is trying to broaden what TJ was talking about to fit the reality of the 21st century.
Thomas Jefferson also believed the United States should not have a standing Army...or Navy...Felt a Militia of citizen soldiers was the way to go in the defense of the nation...He was certainly a brilliant man with many many flaws....Interesting (and pathetic) how some cherry pick his ideas that want to put forth today...and ignore the ones that aren't relevant in 2013
Woolleybugger
Mayor
Cherry picking is a key tenet of the founding father religion.
888888
Council Member
That's not true when the circumstances that the statement was predicated on are severely different than they are today.
Besides, if Thomas Jefferson wrote this he had to be responding to something or someone, so what was that? Besides I can't see him using many of the words in your highlighted part.
He didn't write it but he adopted it as a principle he espoused.
jammer
Mayor
Still makes Barbie a liar, she had it in qutation marks and attributed it to Jefferson. How do you know he espoused it as a principle ? Did he write about it, did he ever use it in a speech, did he make a practice of it? Did he arm his slaves so they could enjoy the freedom he did as a white man? Don't think so.
Jefferson had the quote in some of his writings so, in effect, she was correct to quote it from Jefferson. You are most likely incapable of understanding that but that's nothing new.
The quote thou pasteth be not of Jeffersonius.
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/laws-forbid-carrying-armsquotation
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/laws-forbid-carrying-armsquotation
Don't agree. Truth is always truth (except in the mouth of a Liberal) and a lie is always a lie (especially in the mouth of a Liberal).
jammer
Mayor
Care to provide a link to were Jefferson used the quote in any of his writings? I saw where he had a copy of he book it was fro, but no wher Jeferson himself ever used it.
I could but I'm not going to; you wouldn't believe it anyway. Look it up yourself if you know how.
BobbyT
Governor
Not true. What is believed to be truth is colored by the state of knowledge at the time the truth is declared. Apparently barbie believed it was the truth that her quote was from JT. With time and a little education, now she knows it was not truth that her quote was from JT. See how that works?
