Benghazi???

[middleview]

Your response is comical to say the least. How could have Benghazi gone worse? Clinton sent Stevens during the anniversary of 9/11 with a significantly reduced security force, to a place that intel said was very hostile, left them there with no possible back-up, and then lied about the whole thing when it didn't turn out.

I don't know how the Obama administration could have been more incompetent. Maybe painting "Muslims suck" on the side of the compound in advance of Stevens arrival, but that's about it.

1. there were over 40 Americans in the consulate and more at the CIA annex. It could have been worse if someone drove a truck bomb up and killed all 40.
2. It could have been worse if some bozo, like Reagan, had ordered 241 marines to setup housekeeping in an area completely indefensible and then said "you aren't allowed to load your weapons until I say so"....getting all 241 killed.

Just a couple of questions.
1. How do you know Clinton ordered Stevens to go to Benghazi?
2. No possible backup? Where do you get your info? Reinforcements arrived from
the CIA annex within 30 minutes.
3. Lied about what whole thing? Initial reports from people on the ground were that there was reason to think the anti-Muslim video was used to get people pissed off....Maybe you mean about the request for additional security.....the fact is that the request was for two more guards. The request was not turned down by the White House or by Hillary Clinton....the undersecretary who did turn it down admitted as much.

What about these lies: The White House told CIA reinforcements at the annex to stand down. The White House watched the attack in realtime and did nothing. The White House could have ordered attack helicopters to help defend the consulate (from where?)....

 

[Colorforms]

So, only in numbers could things have been more poorly handled.

1. Gregory Hicks was there

2. We had back up less than 20 minutes away in Turkey.

3. that's what the White House says. There are many up the chain of command who say no report was ever sent claiming a demonstration.

 

[lupehernandezdepedajack]

I'm extremely glad we had highly competent people like Obama and Clinton in place. Could you imagine if it was the "can't shoot straight" gang we had between 2001 and 2008? Those morons invaded Iraq in response to 9/11. God knows what they might have done in response to the Benghazi attack. It really does matter who is on the line at 3 AM in a crisis, and that's why America's been doing so much better since the start of 2009!

Aid to Clinton "Secretary Clinton the Ambassador in Libya is under attack!"

Clinton, "What difference does it make!"

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Now we have an answer to that question that isn't hypothetical, and the Obama administration screwed it up royally and four Americans are dead and the administration lied repeatedly in an attempt to cover up their incompetence and their attempt to bury the story for political expedience before the election. So I would say we don't have to ask what might happen, because now we know what DID happen.

The Bush administration screwed up royally, and thousands and THOUSANDS of Americans died.

But hey, you're OK with that. Big [Unwelcome language removed] deal, Marvin says. Who cares about thousands of dead Americans??

But you do care about four.

Just plain weird.

But then, we all knew Marvin was a little 'weird'. Wouldn't you have to be a little weird to call yourself a Martian??

 

[lupehernandezdepedajack]

The Bush administration screwed up royally, and thousands and THOUSANDS of Americans died.

But hey, you're OK with that. Big [Unwelcome language removed] deal, Marvin says. Who cares about thousands of dead Americans??

But you do care about four.

Just plain weird.

But then, we all knew Marvin was a little 'weird'. Wouldn't you have to be a little weird to call yourself a Martian??

Holy moly why didn't I think of a remark like that when my son broke his arm. I should have said but Bush this and Bush that here a Bush there Bush everywhere a Bush

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Holy moly why didn't I think of a remark like that when my son broke his arm. I should have said but Bush this and Bush that here a Bush there Bush everywhere a Bush

Your son broke his arm on a bush? How very awkward. Almost as awkward as George W. Bush choking on a pretzel.

 

[American Patriot]

There are three basic questions that must be answered. 1. Who issued the order to stand down and why? 2. Why did everyone from Obama to Susan Rice lie for 17 days. 3. The statement, what possible difference can it make, is ludicrous, do we not all deserve the truth and a real answer as to why four Americans were left to die at the expense of the Obama political machine?

We all know in our hearts that the cover up was for political reasons. We all now know our own government lied to us all. If it is that the Chiefs of Staff issued the stand down order, who gave them that order to be issued, simple the President himself. Chiefs of Staff do not issue such orders without direction. If it is that the conspiracy includes Hillary and Obama then both should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. And lastly just how far will the media go to continue to protect Obama, where is the line in the sand? My guess is that nothing will ever come of this incident and four brave Americans died for absolutely nothing. That in and of itself speaks volumes about Obama and his administration.

 

[marvin martian]

Holy moly why didn't I think of a remark like that when my son broke his arm. I should have said but Bush this and Bush that here a Bush there Bush everywhere a Bush

They've been doing it for five long years, and the dupes are still buying it. You can't fix stupid...

 

[American Patriot]

As the noose tightens and Hillary and Obama begin to squirm we will eventually get the real facts. The e-mails and other documents that have been held back will eventually be made public. My guess is that there are numerous individuals directly involved in this cover up. Many have lied, including the President, Hillary, Susan Rice, the Chief Of Staff and others. People lie for a reason, and the reason here is very clear to protect Obama. It is just that simple. All of these people should be held accountable.

 

[Arkady]

Wow, so you're saying that if Barry had set them up to be killed, it really couldn't have gone worse.

*Thumbs up* great answer.

Sorry, I couldn't make heads or tails of your gibbering.

 

[NightSwimmer]

There are three basic questions that must be answered.

Fair enough.

But first, you must answer three basic questions:

1. Why did you stab the receptionist in the eye with her letter opener?
2. How long have you smelled like dirty gym socks?
3. Why do you hate America?

 

[American Patriot]

Fair enough.

But first, you must answer three basic questions:

1. Why did you stab the receptionist in the eye with her letter opener?
2. How long have you smelled like dirty gym socks?
3. Why do you hate America?

Just what I expected from someone, who like the media condones the culture of corruption and deceit that exists daily in the Obama White House. Face it, the man lied, he deliberately misled all of us to promote himself at the cost of four American lives. He and his cronies never lifted a finger to assist these individuals who had come under attack by terrorists. It has now been proven Obama and his staff all knew within hours who was responsible for the attack and to this day not one of these criminals have been arrested or brought to justice, including Obama himself.

 

[middleview]

So, only in numbers could things have been more poorly handled.

1. Gregory Hicks was there

2. We had back up less than 20 minutes away in Turkey.

3. that's what the White House says. There are many up the chain of command who say no report was ever sent claiming a demonstration.

No...it could have been worse with a republican in charge...Do you blame Reagan for the deaths of 241 Marines in Beirut?

By the way, Hicks wasn't "there"...he was in Tripoli....and if you think the air base in Turkey (Incirlik) is 20 minutes to Benghazi? Let's assume that there were fighter aircraft on the runway, armed, fueled with the pilot sitting in the cockpit...how long would it have taken to go 1,000 miles? The fact is that it is extremely unlikely that there were any aircraft prepared to scramble and it would have been at least 30 minutes to launch a fighter from anywhere....have you been in the military? I think not. I was stationed at Top Gun (Miramar) for a while and was also at the Fleet Operations Control Center Pacific Fleet and certainly know better than your version of readiness. You've been watching too many movies.

So there are some (many?...name 3) people who say they saw no report of a demonstration and there are others who say there was....that proves nothing.

Then there is this guy on the ground in Benghazi who says people there were upset by the anti-Islam video, even though it is unlikely any of them had seen it....but anti-US mullahs told them their version of it and that seems to have had some influence....

Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."

 

[middleview]

Aid to Clinton "Secretary Clinton the Ambassador in Libya is under attack!"

Clinton, "What difference does it make!"

Why lie?

 

[NightSwimmer]

Why lie?

When it's all you got... It's all you got.

 

[middleview]

There are three basic questions that must be answered. 1. Who issued the order to stand down and why? 2. Why did everyone from Obama to Susan Rice lie for 17 days. 3. The statement, what possible difference can it make, is ludicrous, do we not all deserve the truth and a real answer as to why four Americans were left to die at the expense of the Obama political machine?

We all know in our hearts that the cover up was for political reasons. We all now know our own government lied to us all. If it is that the Chiefs of Staff issued the stand down order, who gave them that order to be issued, simple the President himself. Chiefs of Staff do not issue such orders without direction. If it is that the conspiracy includes Hillary and Obama then both should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. And lastly just how far will the media go to continue to protect Obama, where is the line in the sand? My guess is that nothing will ever come of this incident and four brave Americans died for absolutely nothing. That in and of itself speaks volumes about Obama and his administration.

The questions I'd ask are
1. who says they were ordered to stand down?
2. What lies are you talking about?
3. The statement was "what difference does it make if it was a crowd or Islamic militants"...

The question "why were four americans left to die" is bullshit. Were four americans "left" to die. I say they weren't. There were reinforcements sent immediately, both from the annex in Benghazi and from Tripoli. None of them arrived (or could have) in time to save the ambassador and his guard. The two security guards who died hours later, likewise, could not have been protected from a few mortar rounds fired from a half mile away.

That you have completely forgotten about the terrorists who killed those four Americans and focused on finding a way to blame Americans for their deaths speaks volumes about you.

 

[middleview]

No more than you're calling the people who were there on the ground liars.

Why am I not surprised?

And who is it that was "there on the ground"?

 

[middleview]

As the noose tightens and Hillary and Obama begin to squirm we will eventually get the real facts. The e-mails and other documents that have been held back will eventually be made public. My guess is that there are numerous individuals directly involved in this cover up. Many have lied, including the President, Hillary, Susan Rice, the Chief Of Staff and others. People lie for a reason, and the reason here is very clear to protect Obama. It is just that simple. All of these people should be held accountable.

Protect Obama? From what? Bozos like Boehner and Cantor? You got nothing.
1. Initial reports from Benghazi were all over the place...it was a mob, it was a militia, it was Al Qaeda....there were even allegations that we armed the guys who killed the Ambassador....There were fictional accounts of the terrorists sodomizing the ambassador.
2. The administration immediately sent the FBI to investigate. Why would they lie, but then send a team that would only serve to report facts that were counter to what they said?
3. There was a request for two more security guards for Benghazi. Do you think that would have made a difference when confronted by over a hundred well armed attackers? The assistant secretary of state already said she was the one who denied that request....she was a career employee, not an appointee.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Protect Obama? From what? Bozos like Boehner and Cantor? You got nothing.
1. Initial reports from Benghazi were all over the place...it was a mob, it was a militia, it was Al Qaeda....there were even allegations that we armed the guys who killed the Ambassador....There were fictional accounts of the terrorists sodomizing the ambassador.
2. The administration immediately sent the FBI to investigate. Why would they lie, but then send a team that would only serve to report facts that were counter to what they said?
3. There was a request for two more security guards for Benghazi. Do you think that would have made a difference when confronted by over a hundred well armed attackers? The assistant secretary of state already said she was the one who denied that request....she was a career employee, not an appointee.

Ronald Reagan: Facts are stupid things.

 

[Boca]

No....

3. The statement was NOT "what difference does it make if it was a crowd or Islamic militants"...


CNN Transcripts:

[I've boldfaced the question asked by Senator Johnson for your convenience]

JOHNSON: Madame Secretary, do you disagree with me that a simple phone call to those phone call to those evacuees to determine what happened wouldn't have ascertained immediately that there was no protest? I mean that was a piece of information that could have been easily, easily obtained.
CLINTON: Well, Senator -

JOHNSON: Within hours if not days.

CLINTON: Senator, I - when you're in these positions, the last thing you want to do is itnerfere with any other process going on.

(CROSSTALK)

JOHNSON: I realize that's a good excuse.

CLINTON: Number two, well, no it's the fact. Number two, I would recommend highly you read both what the ARB said about and the classified ARB, because even today there are questions being raised.

Now, we have no doubt they were terrorists, they were militants, they attacked us, they killed our people, but what was going on and why they were doing what they were doing is still -

JOHNSON: No, no. Again. We were misled that there were supposedly protests and then something spread out of that - an assault sprang out of that. And that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact -

(CROSSTALK)

JOHNSON: And the American people could have known that within days and they didn't know that.

CLINTON: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest? Or was it because of guys out for a walk one night and decided they would go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?

So...as you can see, Senator Johnson asked her twice if a phone call would have been enough to determine whether it was spontaneous crowd reaction or a planned attack. She refused to answer that question and then finally lost her cool, rephrased the question, and erupted on that one instead.

What difference does it make [if somebody called or not].