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Boehner fact checked on Obamacare: Yeah, he lied

Mytzlplk

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but hey, we've all come to understand -- even the rightwing liars themselves -- that their lies and lying are an intregal and necessary part of their "the ends justify the means" effort to retain their positions of paragons of morality and champions of personal responsibility and accountibility.

It is really their dumbed down and equally dishonest minions that don't seem to realize that the ACA, much like the efforts of the racist Ryan of late, are really more about distracting the masses away from the obscenities of their "making" monied masters, e.g. socioeconomic inequalities, and putting the focus on the "taking" poor. It's been a winning formula for them for a long time, so there's no reason for them not to think that they can't once again get many of their "taking" minions to vote against their self-interests, because as we know they aren't really "takers" like those lazy inner city types. http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/man_up_poors_paul_ryans_nobodys_fool/

Well, that one doesn't even require a professional fact-checker, since a very big chunk of those "6 million" (it's actually closer to 5 million) people who lost those policies were moved automatically into other policies with the same companies. But let's let the professional do his thing anyway, since that's what he's paid for. The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler, with a shout-out to Kossack Brainwrap:
Taking the lowest-range estimates, we still end up with nearly 9 million people added to the insurance rolls, more than enough to swamp Boehner’s 6 million figure, which as we noted is a pretty useless number to begin with.
  • 3.4 million — healthcare.gov sign-ups, assuming 80 percent paid, though February
  • 2.4 million — lowest estimate for new Medicaid enrollment through January
  • 2.2 million — young adults added to parents’ plans (2010 average to first two quarters of 2013)
  • 500,000 — off-exchange enrollments

Charles Gaba, a blogger who has tracked the state-by-state numbers at ACAsignups.net, including known off-exchange enrollments, meanwhile calculates the actual current figure though mid-March at nearly 14 million. Even if you take a conservative estimate for paid plans and reduce the number of young Americans added to plans, you end up with about 13 million. That makes Boehner’s “net loss” claim seem especially absurd. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/17/1285406/-Boehner-fact-check-on-Obamacare-Yeah-he-lied​
 
but hey, we've all come to understand -- even the rightwing liars themselves -- that their lies and lying are an intregal and necessary part of their "the ends justify the means" effort to retain their positions of paragons of morality and champions of personal responsibility and accountibility.

It is really their dumbed down and equally dishonest minions that don't seem to realize that the ACA, much like the efforts of the racist Ryan of late, are really more about distracting the masses away from the obscenities of their "making" monied masters, e.g. socioeconomic inequalities, and putting the focus on the "taking" poor. It's been a winning formula for them for a long time, so there's no reason for them not to think that they can't once again get many of their "taking" minions to vote against their self-interests, because as we know they aren't really "takers" like those lazy inner city types. http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/man_up_poors_paul_ryans_nobodys_fool/

Well, that one doesn't even require a professional fact-checker, since a very big chunk of those "6 million" (it's actually closer to 5 million) people who lost those policies were moved automatically into other policies with the same companies. But let's let the professional do his thing anyway, since that's what he's paid for. The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler, with a shout-out to Kossack Brainwrap:
Taking the lowest-range estimates, we still end up with nearly 9 million people added to the insurance rolls, more than enough to swamp Boehner’s 6 million figure, which as we noted is a pretty useless number to begin with.
  • 3.4 million — healthcare.gov sign-ups, assuming 80 percent paid, though February
  • 2.4 million — lowest estimate for new Medicaid enrollment through January
  • 2.2 million — young adults added to parents’ plans (2010 average to first two quarters of 2013)
  • 500,000 — off-exchange enrollments

Charles Gaba, a blogger who has tracked the state-by-state numbers at ACAsignups.net, including known off-exchange enrollments, meanwhile calculates the actual current figure though mid-March at nearly 14 million. Even if you take a conservative estimate for paid plans and reduce the number of young Americans added to plans, you end up with about 13 million. That makes Boehner’s “net loss” claim seem especially absurd. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/17/1285406/-Boehner-fact-check-on-Obamacare-Yeah-he-lied​

While Boehner is exaggerating as all politicians do, the article didn't seem to make a distinction between new signups to healthcare and those that lost their insurance and then signed up.
 
While Boehner is exaggerating as all politicians do, the article didn't seem to make a distinction between new signups to healthcare and those that lost their insurance and then signed up.

what's this?

Well, that one doesn't even require a professional fact-checker, since a very big chunk of those "6 million" (it's actually closer to 5 million) people who lost those policies were moved automatically into other policies with the same companies.
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it seems to me like the author was conveying the idea that nobody really lost anything in numbers significant enough to skewer the bottom line.
 
what's this?

Well, that one doesn't even require a professional fact-checker, since a very big chunk of those "6 million" (it's actually closer to 5 million) people who lost those policies were moved automatically into other policies with the same companies.
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it seems to me like the author was conveying the idea that nobody really lost anything in numbers significant enough to skewer the bottom line.

We all know that some of those that lost insurance then went on the exchanges to get it.

We also know that Boehner, Sebelius, Obama and all of us have been talking about the 7 million figure which doesn't include medicare or children under 26. Yet factcheck includes medicare and children under 26.

It looks like Boehner is playing politics, but it also is not taking into consideration that the discussion does not include medicare or kids under 26. Apples and oranges comparison by fact checker.
 
what's this?

Well, that one doesn't even require a professional fact-checker, since a very big chunk of those "6 million" (it's actually closer to 5 million) people who lost those policies were moved automatically into other policies with the same companies.
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it seems to me like the author was conveying the idea that nobody really lost anything in numbers significant enough to skewer the bottom line.

except for they lost their insurance...you know the plan they signed up for and then had to take one they didnt sign up for because theirs was taken away...their plan wasnt illegal till Obama said so...Obama lied...they couldnt keep thier plan period...exchanging for a different one...isnt keeping your plan...if you think so

For every dollar U.S.D. you have...I will give you 1 Chilean peso...we will see if you like that...the exchange for one plan for another is not equal....your point is bogus.
 
"If you like your current health plan, you can keep your current health plan"
"If you like your current doctor, you can keep your current doctor"
"Families will save on average of $2500.00 with my plan"

Shall I go on?
 
"If you like your current health plan, you can keep your current health plan"
"If you like your current doctor, you can keep your current doctor"
"Families will save on average of $2500.00 with my plan"

Shall I go on?

They came up with some lies of the year to get it passed and get re-elected and now maybe it is going to get them un-elected...

We'll see.
 
I don't know if Obama lied or not. But there's this guy going around claiming to be the president. For a year he promised that if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor. Now he's claiming that this wasn't the truth and that people will be forced to change their doctors. Someone alert the Secret Service to this imposter.
 
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