Cardinal Burke demoted

[JuliefromOhio]

too much of a loud-mouthed conservative for Pope Francis. Burke was barely tolerated by his fellow American bishops.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/...ncis-demotes-prominent-conservative-cardinal/

Burke's demotion was likened to Chief Justice Roberts being removed from the Court to referee kid's games.

 

[gigi]

too much of a loud-mouthed conservative for Pope Francis. Burke was barely tolerated by his fellow American bishops.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/...ncis-demotes-prominent-conservative-cardinal/

Burke's demotion was likened to Chief Justice Roberts being removed from the Court to referee kid's games.

It's not a long appointment, Jules. Most do five years or less in the post and then are reappointed someplace else.
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dxtas.html

Burke is a lightening rod for anti-Catholic media because he's outspoken and doesn't candycoat the beliefs of the church. When media wants to villify the Catholic Church, they usually use snippets of interviews and video with him as proof of what a bunch of closed hearted hard asses the Church is. When they want to glorify the Church, they claim that Burke was the cranky exception to the bunch.
I doubt ThinkProgress interviewed one single bishop before coming to the conclusion that Burke was "barely tolerated."

 

[RedCloud]

It's not a long appointment, Jules. Most do five years or less in the post and then are reappointed someplace else.
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dxtas.html

Burke is a lightening rod for anti-Catholic media because he's outspoken and doesn't candycoat the beliefs of the church. When media wants to villify the Catholic Church, they usually use snippets of interviews and video with him as proof of what a bunch of closed hearted hard asses the Church is. When they want to glorify the Church, they claim that Burke was the cranky exception to the bunch.
I doubt ThinkProgress interviewed one single bishop before coming to the conclusion that Burke was "barely tolerated."

Hi, gigi! Just dropped in to see what was going on.
Pope Francis's recent demotion of Cardinal Burke makes me admire him (the Pope) even more. He has proven that he can kick ass and take names!
A like situation occurred when President Truman fired General MacArthur. Both cases involved insubordination--persistently and publicly disagreeing with the boss.

Anyhow, as an old Agnostic/Atheist, I believe Pope Francis is doing more to revitalize the Church than any other Pope in recent history.

 

[gigi]

Hi, gigi! Just dropped in to see what was going on.
Pope Francis's recent demotion of Cardinal Burke makes me admire him (the Pope) even more. He has proven that he can kick ass and take names!
A like situation occurred when President Truman fired General MacArthur. Both cases involved insubordination--persistently and publicly disagreeing with the boss.

Anyhow, as an old Agnostic/Atheist, I believe Pope Francis is doing more to revitalize the Church than any other Pope in recent history.

Good to see you, Redcloud.

Francis is wonderful, no doubt. But he's not saying or teaching anything that conflicts with what the Church already teaches and believes. Unfortunately, the left wing that's been aching for the Church to cave on certain issues is having a field day making stuff up.
Burke did his stint. And his works from that stint will be taught to canon law students for a long time to come.

Two weeks ago Pope Francis gave a homily you sure won't see reprinted by any of the sources that are trying to hype him as the social liberal.
I have said from the beginning that eventually, when Francis doesn't implicate all the changes that sorta Catholics, liberals, and anti-Catholics want to see, he'll be accused of caving to
"Catholic conservatives." Watch.

 

[RedCloud]

I don't expect to see any drastic changes in Church creeds as a result of Francis's leadership, but I do believe that his imprimatur on present creeds will be long lasting and will attract more seekers to the Church.

Good night, (Gotta get my beauty rest, --not that I need it!)

 

[JuliefromOhio]

It's not a long appointment, Jules. Most do five years or less in the post and then are reappointed someplace else.
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dxtas.html

Burke is a lightening rod for anti-Catholic media because he's outspoken and doesn't candycoat the beliefs of the church. When media wants to villify the Catholic Church, they usually use snippets of interviews and video with him as proof of what a bunch of closed hearted hard asses the Church is. When they want to glorify the Church, they claim that Burke was the cranky exception to the bunch.
I doubt ThinkProgress interviewed one single bishop before coming to the conclusion that Burke was "barely tolerated."

Burke was punished for threatening to deny John Kerry communion in 2004.
Burke was punished for complaining that Notre Dame invited Pres Obama to speak in 2009.
Burke was punished for saying that Ted Kennedy should have been denied a Catholic funeral.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Hi, gigi! Just dropped in to see what was going on.
Pope Francis's recent demotion of Cardinal Burke makes me admire him (the Pope) even more. He has proven that he can kick ass and take names!
A like situation occurred when President Truman fired General MacArthur. Both cases involved insubordination--persistently and publicly disagreeing with the boss.

Anyhow, as an old Agnostic/Atheist, I believe Pope Francis is doing more to revitalize the Church than any other Pope in recent history.

Pope Francis wants to focus on the pastoral vs the punishment. I suppose one could call that the liberal position vs the conservative position. of course, we know Jesus was a liberal.

 

[gigi]

Burke was punished for threatening to deny John Kerry communion in 2004.
Burke was punished for complaining that Notre Dame invited Pres Obama to speak in 2009.
Burke was punished for saying that Ted Kennedy should have been denied a Catholic funeral.

No, that's what Think Progress told you. But Think Progress didn't do any investigative reporting whatsoever.The article is devoid of any facts and any accuracy and any quotes by ANY of the people whose motives they claim to be familiar with. They just wrote what they figured their readers wanted to read.
For example, the decision to move Burke began under Benedict and was common enough knowledge that even we folks in the pews had heard of it. As the link I showed you makes clear, for the past 100 years or so, bishop's in the position Burke holds, held it for about as long as he did. It was just time.
Also, despite what TP says, Pope Francis chose when and where to reassign Burke months ago, not after the last synod.

There were no reporters at the Synod. But so many "reporters" see fit to write about what happened there with fake details that include reference to verbal exchanges between individual cardinals and the facial expressions of the cardinals!

What Francis is saying is that in order to help people come to acceptance of the teachings of the truth, the Church has to make sure that all people know they're welcome to travel their journey from inside the Church, instead of believing that they can't come to the Church until they remove all sin from their lives. People who go to Church regularly know that we're welcome sinners because we hear it all the time. But people who've been away don't hear it. Instead they hear media BS about the Church not wanting them.

THIS, not what you'll find on TP or Yahoo or Huffpo's religion section, is what Francis has to say.

These are his own words. All of them.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html#_ftnref59

This is one section from that document that he wrote:
"214. Precisely because this involves the internal consistency of our message about the value of the human person, the Church cannot be expected to change her position on this question. I want to be completely honest in this regard. This is not something subject to alleged reforms or “modernizations”. It is not “progressive” to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life. "

You're not going to find peace with your point of view in a coalition or the blogosphere.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Oh, look, the Washington Post.

Pope Francis demotes conservative cardinal who took on John Kerry and Sheryl Crow

Burke ultimately found himself removed from a Vatican committee that selects bishops. But his dismissal didn’t stop him from speaking out. If anything, he went further.
“Many have expressed their concerns to me,” Burke said last week, as USA Today reported. “There is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder.”

Zoinks. For Francis, this seems to have been the last straw. Working for the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, Burke will still be in Rome — but will have to lob his criticisms of the pope from outside the Vatican’s inner corridors of power.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...dinal-raymond-burke-falls-from-vatican-grace/

 

[gigi]

Oh, look, the Washington Post.

Pope Francis demotes conservative cardinal who took on John Kerry and Sheryl Crow

Burke ultimately found himself removed from a Vatican committee that selects bishops. But his dismissal didn’t stop him from speaking out. If anything, he went further.
“Many have expressed their concerns to me,” Burke said last week, as USA Today reported. “There is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder.”

Zoinks. For Francis, this seems to have been the last straw. Working for the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, Burke will still be in Rome — but will have to lob his criticisms of the pope from outside the Vatican’s inner corridors of power.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...dinal-raymond-burke-falls-from-vatican-grace/

You forgot to post the part about how Wapo confirmed with the Vatican that Burke was being demoted and punished and I don't see it in your link. Unfortunately this doesn't substantiate your claim any better than the TP piece did.

Most of these articles just echo one another's talking points.

Are you going to read what Pope Francis wrote? Or are you going to depend on TP and Wapo to learn what he thinks? Just a question.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

You forgot to post the part about how Wapo confirmed with the Vatican that Burke was being demoted and punished and I don't see it in your link. Unfortunately this doesn't substantiate your claim any better than the TP piece did.

Most of these articles just echo one another's talking points.

Are you going to read what Pope Francis wrote? Or are you going to depend on TP and Wapo to learn what he thinks? Just a question.

Pope Francis' actions speak louder than his words. it's obvious to all that Burke was demoted. he was removed from the Vatican's inner corridors of power.

 

[gigi]

Pope Francis' actions speak louder than his words. it's obvious to all that Burke was demoted. he was removed from the Vatican's inner corridors of power.

And again....you fail to admit that this is not a lifelong post, as you've been shown.

It's ironic that you say "actions speak louder than words" when you are combing the web looking for words to support something you really want to believe in. But in any case, what actions of Pope Francis are you discussing now? The action of writing an 85 page document about the joys of the Gospel where he clearly writes the exact opposite of what the media says he thinks? Or the action of the homilies he's given on the Eucharist, family, and abortion and BC that also conflict with the media spin?

You don't want to read what he says. You want to read what others say about him. You don't sound like much of a fan.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

you can pretend that Pope Francis removing Cardinal Burke from the Vatican's inner corridors of power means nothing, but you would be deluding yourself.

 

[Carlsen]

Burke was punished for threatening to deny John Kerry communion in 2004.
Burke was punished for complaining that Notre Dame invited Pres Obama to speak in 2009.
Burke was punished for saying that Ted Kennedy should have been denied a Catholic funeral.

I read where Burke he don't want homosexuelles in the church. The Pope he change this policy now and then demote Burke. I agree there should not be homosexuelles in church

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[JuliefromOhio]

I read where Burke he don't want homosexuelles in the church. The Pope he change this policy now and then demote Burke. I agree there should not be homosexuelles in church

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the Church is filled with homosexuals.

 

[fairsheet]

the Church is filled with homosexuals.

What's a "homosexuelle"? Is that a French lesbian? Anyway, we Catholics are taught that the Pope is infallible. That's a very difficult concept for Catholics and non-Catholics to swallow and comprehend. That's too bad. But it's odd that a Catholic above, suggests that this Bishop has ANYTHING over the Pope in terms of presenting "the beliefs of the church". Rather than trying to wordgame this Bishop's end by going on about how it's somehow "normal" that his tenure's been brought to an and, this Catholic should be seeking to reconcile her fealty to Burke, in the light of the Pope's actions.

BTW, I find the likes of RedCloud suggesting his respect for this Pope, to be the highest compliment to the Church and this Pope.

 

[Carlsen]

What's a "homosexuelle"? Is that a French lesbian? Anyway, we Catholics are taught that the Pope is infallible. That's a very difficult concept for Catholics and non-Catholics to swallow and comprehend. That's too bad. But it's odd that a Catholic above, suggests that this Bishop has ANYTHING over the Pope in terms of presenting "the beliefs of the church". Rather than trying to wordgame this Bishop's end by going on about how it's somehow "normal" that his tenure's been brought to an and, this Catholic should be seeking to reconcile her fealty to Burke, in the light of the Pope's actions.

BTW, I find the likes of RedCloud suggesting his respect for this Pope, to be the highest compliment to the Church and this Pope.

Cardinal Burke he want to keep doctrine of the church on marriage and family. This is the only thing he do wrong because the Pope he want to change this now. Marriage this is suppose to be between a guy and girl

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