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I have decided to drop out of PJ.

My greatest fun was exposing dishonest tactics and patently false assertions. I was never the scholar on policy, economic issues, law or anything else. I also had no illusions about that and was never reticent or the least bit embarrassed to admit it. I also never intentionally offered false information from fringe sources or hitched my wagon to the pundits whose daily goal is to be most outrageously contemptuous of the other side for ratings.

That seems to be where we are now. More every day, it has become a sounding board for dupes of the man I see as the most despicable American who has ever lived. The man who changed the goal of debate from an honest and righteous exchange of opposing views to a goal of getting us to genuinely hate and despise each other.

No one since Hitler has ever been more successful at getting one group of fellow countrymen to hate another. He has no other goal than to amass personal wealth by doing this. He has no conscience about employing intentional lies and outrageously dishonest characterizations to do so. He has changed the word "liberal" from a description of a political view to an invective spat out with contempt with precisely the same tone and intent as the Klan using nig_er or a Nazi bleating "Juden".

I'm aware that I was always as strident as anyone and, perhaps, as guilty as anyone for the tone of the rhetoric. It's impossible for me to point out that someone is being intentionally dishonest and somehow disguise my genuine contempt for it. So it becomes personal. Sorry 'bout that....but not a lot.

99% of us here are gentlemen and gentleladies of good humor venting our frustrations on one another rather than fantasizing about planting bombs on the left or right side of the aisle in the chambers of Congress. The other 1% are nuts. I am leaving here because of that 1%.

I made the decision last night after :censored: resorted to "coward" for about the third time on one thread that he started in his quest to deify Rush's bullcrap. When I start wanting to smack someone, I'm keeping the wrong company.

The only other poster who made me feel that way was :censored: when he insulted my wife by implying that she was a child molester. Then he goaded me with, "Oh, have I hit a nerve?" as if he had made some primal point by attacking a poster's family member who he will never know, much to his deprivation.

She is one of the most universally beloved members of the community in which I live. She can't go out in public without someone wanting a hug from her. She genuinely loves everyone she meets and has never met a stranger. Until last night, it was the only post I had ever reported. Next time I looked up, the [Unwelcome language removed] was a moderator. I'm sure everyone can understand my chagrin. I'm not waiting around for a mental case like :censored: to become one.

My suggestion to PJ would be that they flag provable falsehoods rather than censor adult language and good humored insults. That would elevate the dialogue more than the tattletale system.

If you look at my friend list, you will see a few of my opponents with whom I have had the most heated and, to any observer, disrespectful exchanges. I think you would be quite surprised to see our private conversations. The same was true on Slate. I exchanged personal e-mail addresses with one of the most talented provocateurs on the board. He could make a lefty boil with a two word post. He was hilarious and a fine gentleman in the tactile world.

So be it known that I have had genuine contempt for only two members. To the rest, I say, "Thanks for putting up with me." I would leave any social circle that had regulars like these two. I don't hang out with vermin in the tactile world and I won't do it here.

I will leave with one final left-handed apology. I know you're a pilot, Stan. I was just pickin' on you. It's what I do. Hahahahahahahaha!
 
You'll be missed, but I most certainly understand your decision.

The site administrators failed to control the fora, so they dumped the responsibility onto a member committee with inadequate authority to succeed and, to add insult to injury, appointed some of the most vile characters in the community to said committee. I won't mention names. It's not necessary.
 
Hate to lose you, zig.....but keep in mind that the more insulting, vitriolic, hysterical, dishonest and flat-out insane some of the Right here gets....

the more you know you're winning or at the least, they know they're losing...whether it's the Fall Election or just "long term".

Keep your account, in case you want to pop back in or for PMs or Private Forum posts.
 
...hey z-z, sometimes, it is best just to take a weekend off. PJ is a good place to read other opinions and have some "fun" so to speak. I agree, when you feel like "smacking" somebody, it is time to take a break. Hopefully you will return - if not, all the best...
 
You've probably noticed that a number of others have done the same. They just didn't announce it. Do like GG says. Don't cancel/unsubscribe your account. Who knows?
 
well zz, enjoy the rest of the dance called life..........

ya'll come back now, ya hear
 
Don't do it Zig.. you're one of my favorite posters, ALWAYS keepin' it lighthearted and fun. Don't let the clowns get to ya.

Take a week off and get back here!
 
Dude I completly understand, I am re-evaluating my presence here also. If I can't become a better poster & start ignoring the flamers who only come here to spread hate, I also will be checking out.

Good luck on all that you do.
 
I have decided to drop out of PJ.

My greatest fun was exposing dishonest tactics and patently false assertions. I was never the scholar on policy, economic issues, law or anything else. I also had no illusions about that and was never reticent or the least bit embarrassed to admit it. I also never intentionally offered false information from fringe sources or hitched my wagon to the pundits whose daily goal is to be most outrageously contemptuous of the other side for ratings.

That seems to be where we are now. More every day, it has become a sounding board for dupes of the man I see as the most despicable American who has ever lived. The man who changed the goal of debate from an honest and righteous exchange of opposing views to a goal of getting us to genuinely hate and despise each other.

No one since Hitler has ever been more successful at getting one group of fellow countrymen to hate another. He has no other goal than to amass personal wealth by doing this. He has no conscience about employing intentional lies and outrageously dishonest characterizations to do so. He has changed the word "liberal" from a description of a political view to an invective spat out with contempt with precisely the same tone and intent as the Klan using nig_er or a Nazi bleating "Juden".

I'm aware that I was always as strident as anyone and, perhaps, as guilty as anyone for the tone of the rhetoric. It's impossible for me to point out that someone is being intentionally dishonest and somehow disguise my genuine contempt for it. So it becomes personal. Sorry 'bout that....but not a lot.

99% of us here are gentlemen and gentleladies of good humor venting our frustrations on one another rather than fantasizing about planting bombs on the left or right side of the aisle in the chambers of Congress. The other 1% are nuts. I am leaving here because of that 1%.

I made the decision last night after :censored: resorted to "coward" for about the third time on one thread that he started in his quest to deify Rush's bullcrap. When I start wanting to smack someone, I'm keeping the wrong company.

The only other poster who made me feel that way was :censored: when he insulted my wife by implying that she was a child molester. Then he goaded me with, "Oh, have I hit a nerve?" as if he had made some primal point by attacking a poster's family member who he will never know, much to his deprivation.

She is one of the most universally beloved members of the community in which I live. She can't go out in public without someone wanting a hug from her. She genuinely loves everyone she meets and has never met a stranger. Until last night, it was the only post I had ever reported. Next time I looked up, the [Unwelcome language removed] was a moderator. I'm sure everyone can understand my chagrin. I'm not waiting around for a mental case like :censored: to become one.

My suggestion to PJ would be that they flag provable falsehoods rather than censor adult language and good humored insults. That would elevate the dialogue more than the tattletale system.

If you look at my friend list, you will see a few of my opponents with whom I have had the most heated and, to any observer, disrespectful exchanges. I think you would be quite surprised to see our private conversations. The same was true on Slate. I exchanged personal e-mail addresses with one of the most talented provocateurs on the board. He could make a lefty boil with a two word post. He was hilarious and a fine gentleman in the tactile world.

So be it known that I have had genuine contempt for only two members. To the rest, I say, "Thanks for putting up with me." I would leave any social circle that had regulars like these two. I don't hang out with vermin in the tactile world and I won't do it here.

I will leave with one final left-handed apology. I know you're a pilot, Stan. I was just pickin' on you. It's what I do. Hahahahahahahaha!

Screw 'em Zig...Dino and DO are just noisemakers, don't let them defeat you and really take the board down, as they seem hell bent on doing.. Take a break...
 
...hey z-z, sometimes, it is best just to take a weekend off. PJ is a good place to read other opinions and have some "fun" so to speak. I agree, when you feel like "smacking" somebody, it is time to take a break. Hopefully you will return - if not, all the best...

You are right Figjam. I have done the same,but am here to say, "Do not let the right run you off." That is exactly what they want. I used another word,but decided I would not.
 
Screw 'em Zig...Dino and DO are just noisemakers, don't let them defeat you and really take the board down, as they seem hell bent on doing.. Take a break...

Dino = Erica_theBlight :)

You can always tell by the first word in many of his posts: LIAR!

DO = IM

Count the overuse of AynRandian word: statists :)
 
You should reconsider. Knuckleheads like the pair you mentioned aren't really interested in serious debate, and just want to cause as much aggravation to their enemies as possible. Don't give in to their idiotic bullshit.
 
Zigg - don't let these personal attacks get to you. It's internet bullying and it's meaningless in the overall scheme of things. I hate to see you go over that. Please reconsider (and if you do decide to leave, take care).
 
Zigg - don't let these personal attacks get to you. It's internet bullying and it's meaningless in the overall scheme of things. I hate to see you go over that. Please reconsider (and if you do decide to leave, take care).

Wow Lukey, I am impressed & now have a complete new respect for you. !!!!!!
 
I hope you will stay, zz... :D I don't see you as a quitter!

Apparently striking a fair balance is impossible for some of the moderators!
 
Wow Lukey, I am impressed & now have a complete new respect for you. !!!!!!

You get a like from me,Lukey. You see things very clearly. Tom Brokaw had a good discussion on bullying this morning. Most do not have the guts to do it in real life,so they live in this imaginary world where the keyboard makes them feel important.Trush is,"Impotent," would be a better word.
 
Wow! Thanks, Addy and everyone.

I typically feign anger on here or my posts wouldn't have enough impact to serve the purpose of venting. They wouldn't please myself. I actually have a very long fuse.

The only person to whom I ever inflicted permanent damage was a guy (a stranger to me) who threatened my friends with a butterfly knife in a bar in a neighboring town. I didn't see it. One of my friends came over and told me about it. I went over and calmly (honest) asked the guy about it. He swung it open and stuck it in front of my face. I hit him twice. I thought it was like a cowboy movie, you know, the smack sound and everybody's ok? The way it was when I was younger and fought for pride more than anything else. Fighting without real anger. I broke his jaw, half his teeth gone, his nose, his eye socket...he spent months in facial reconstruction. It haunts me to this day. I wasn't even arrested because there were plenty of witnesses and most of them didn't know either of us.

When I have to invoke that memory just because of some moron's words, it's very disheartening. I relive the shame and regret.... the whole incident, actually. I'm trying to put it back where it belongs....in my one folder file of regret. I can't explain how something so silly brought me back to feeling like someone I don't like.... the guy who couldn't just walk away. Maybe "coward" hit too close to home. Good job, Dino. Hit the nail right on the head.
 
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