Christopher Steele and the never ending story

[justoffal]

OMG WHAT A CROCK:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier

Only a magazine would provide so much wasted space for a painfully overwritten.... Agonizingly unsubstantiated.... Inferential piece of shit that passes for an article.

Today's nearly bankrupt newspapers wouldn't dare spend all that time and space on something that had very little opportunity to make any kind of financial return.

One thing is clear though: in Lefty's world the enemy of my enemy is my friend.... And while we all know that if Hillary had won the election none of this would never have become an issue...it is clear that it no longer matters to the left wing Echo chamber whether or not there is truth in the information they use. All that matters is perception and whether or not they can manipulate it to regain power.

Jo

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

OMG WHAT A CROCK:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier

Only a magazine would provide so much wasted space for a painfully overwritten.... Agonizingly unsubstantiated.... Inferential piece of shit that passes for an article.

Today's nearly bankrupt newspapers wouldn't dare spend all that time and space on something that had very little opportunity to make any kind of financial return.

One thing is clear though: in Lefty's world the enemy of my enemy is my friend.... And while we all know that if Hillary had won the election none of this would never have become an issue no longer matters the left wing Echo chamber whether or not there is truth in the information they use. All that matters is perception and whether or not they can manipulate it to regain power.

Jo

Can you point to anything in the dossier that’s false?

 

[justoffal]

Can you point to anything in the dossier that’s false?

Nobody can prove anything false....it's proving it true you need to pay attention to.

Jo

 

[middleview]

Nobody can prove anything false....it's proving it true you need to pay attention to.

Jo

In a court of law you'd be right.

 

[middleview]

Nobody can prove anything false....it's proving it true you need to pay attention to.

Jo

I noticed that you didn't even try...instead you attack the media that publishes something about Steele.

 

[justoffal]

I noticed that you didn't even try...instead you attack the media that publishes something about Steele.

I'm attacking the author of the article who slyly and insidiously presents inferences and suggestions as if they were well-established facts. All in all the the New New Yorker magazine wasted a great deal of space on something that met absolutely no journalistic standards whatsoever save that of politically motivated propaganda.

 

[middleview]

I'm attacking the author of the article who slyly and insidiously presents inferences and suggestions as if they were well-established facts. All in all the the New New Yorker magazine wasted a great deal of space on something that met absolutely no journalistic standards whatsoever save that of politically motivated propaganda.

Unreal....shoot the messenger.....did you actually read the article about Steele?

 

[Dino]

Can you point to anything in the dossier that’s false?

There's a bit sure.
Proven false, theoretically false, and yet to be proven true as well.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...he-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Nobody can prove anything false....it's proving it true you need to pay attention to.

Jo

Sure one can. For example, you just proved false the winger proposition that the Steele dossier has been debunked.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

There's a bit sure.
Proven false, theoretically false, and yet to be proven true as well.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...he-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/

I’m not fishing around in some winger screed searching for something you might be referring to. Tell me, if you can, anything in the dossier that’s been proven false. Screeching “It’s fake!” doesn’t do the trick.

 

[justoffal]

I’m not fishing around in some winger screed searching for something you might be referring to. Tell me, if you can, anything in the dossier that’s been proven false. Screeching “It’s fake!” doesn’t do the trick.

The game isn't about proving anything false it's about proving it true show need something in the Steele dossier that has definite proof of its veracity.

Somebody can make any claim about anything no matter how ridiculous the claim....the burden is with the proof of Truth not the proof of falsehood.

 

[Dino]

I’m not fishing around in some winger screed searching for something you might be referring to. Tell me, if you can, anything in the dossier that’s been proven false. Screeching “It’s fake!” doesn’t do the trick.

I noticed that you didn't even try...instead you attack the media that publishes something about Steele.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

The game isn't about proving anything false it's about proving it true show need something in the Steele dossier that has definite proof of its veracity.

Somebody can make any claim about anything no matter how ridiculous the laim....the burden is with the proof of Truth not the proof of falsehood.

I’m sure you know there are many websites concerning the question of verification of the Steele dossier. Here’s one, dividing things into parts of the dossier that have been verified, and parts that have not yet been verified...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.news...sier-one-year-later-what-we-know-777116?amp=1

No material part of the dossier has yet been proven false. Verification of as yet unverified parts must await Mueller’s report (if Trump doesn’t fire him).

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I noticed that you didn't even try...instead you attack the media that publishes something about Steele.

My question stands. Can you man up and give it a go?

 

[justoffal]

I’m sure you know there are many websites concerning the question of verification of the Steele dossier. Here’s one, dividing things into parts of the dossier that have been verified, and parts that have not yet been verified...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-one-year-later-what-we-know-777116?amp=1

No material part of the dossier has yet been proven false. Verification of as yet unverified parts must await Mueller’s report (if Trump doesn’t fire him).

I read that material all it does is meet the weakest standards for admission into a legal argument. To date there isn't a single shred of Truth proven to be associated with any of those claims. If there was Mueller would already have Trump's head on a platter.

We all know what the game is Mueller is waiting to see what the 2018 election results will be. If the Dems take back the house he will continue his investigation if they don't he will close it and give up.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I read that material all it does is meet the weakest standards for admission into a legal argument. To date there isn't a single shred of Truth proven to be associated with any of those claims. If there was Mueller would already have Trump's head on a platter.

We all know what the game is Mueller is waiting to see what the 2018 election results will be. If the Dems take back the house he will continue his investigation if they don't he will close it and give up.

I’m quite confident Mueller does have Trump’s head on a platter. It’s obviously goofy to claim Trump is in the clear midway through the investigation.

 

[justoffal]

I’m quite confident Mueller does have Trump’s head on a platter. It’s obviously goofy to claim Trump is in the clear midway through the investigation.

Confirmation bias becomes you. Now answer my question if the Dems do well in November will it be due to Russian meddling?

Can you man up and give it a go?

That's a very British phrase btw.

Jo

And just to be clear nobody is ever in the clear not in DC. Mueller could conduct the same type of investigation on any of the house members or any of the Senators
And find numerous laws that have been broken and numerous charges that could be filed.

 

[middleview]

There's a bit sure.
Proven false, theoretically false, and yet to be proven true as well.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...he-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/

Your link is informative, but mostly in that the guy hangs his opinion on "writing style" that he says is right out of the KGB handbook....Well, that isn't proof.

He also claims it is unlikely that the Russian government would give up $700 million as a disguised bribe to Trump....since it was vaguely described as some kind of brokerage fee...I'm not exactly sure what the bribe was worth. There is the authors interpretation...but that ain't fact.

I read the Steele dossier. I find it interesting that the names of so many of Trump's campaign people were mentioned, even at a time when few people know who Carter Page was. For the time that this was written, it certainly has a lot of info that wasn't common knowledge or even being widely discussed....like the DNC hack.

When did Trump start talking about Nato as obsolete? It was in May of 2016. That was mentioned in the Steele dossier dated July 2016. Do you honestly think that was not of value to Putin?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Confirmation bias becomes you. Now answer my question if the Dems do well in November will it be due to Russian meddling?

Can you man up and give it a go?

That's a very British phrase btw.

Jo

And just to be clear nobody is ever in the clear not in DC. Mueller could conduct the same type of investigation on any of the house members or any of the Senators
And find numerous laws that have been broken and numerous charges that could be filed.

If the Russians meddle in the midterms on behalf of the Dems, sane, honest people will so note.

Just like sane, honest people note that the Russians meddled in 2016 on behalf of Trump.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Chris Steele the real collusion with a foreign national.