"Civility"

[Marcus Aurelius]

The request was for "one single thing". Add that to the list that congratulates Trump for fake news...like the job creation numbers. Last time I looked the unemployment rate had dropped .7% since Trump took over.

You call it an accomplishment that he moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. I don't think it is.

You came up with numbers that are pretty creative. Did you now that GDP growth was 5.1% in the third quarter of 2014? Did you also know that the 1st qrtr of 2018 was 2.2%?

If anything q2 growth of 4.1% was due to the coming trade war and companies buying up inventory before the tax...er tariff jacked up prices.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

Jobs?

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Notice that Obama inherited a downward spiral in GDP and jobs and turned it around.
Trump took office with positive GDP growth and a very low unemployment rate.

ROFLMFAO

You are not very bright. My request was for one single thing on the list of Trump accomplishments that you can credit Obama for. You posted none.

 

[Capitalist]

write-on is a lil' short fellow in OKC
has to reach up to grab door handle on his F150
he's got the hots for nutty girl

Write-on??

 

[middleview]

Did you know Obama left us 2.2 BILLION in the hole on clean energy loans/

Did you know we're not talking about Bush anymore?

Did you know you cant credit Obama for a single thing on the LONG list of accomplishments I posted for Trump? Did you know you'd be an idiot to try? (I knew)

You add shit to the list as if everyone would agree that it is an accomplishment. Moving the embassy wasn't.

You claimed his tax cut was the huuuuugest ever. It wasn't. My tax cut was worth about $40 every two weeks. BFD. And to get it we are now at a trillion dollar deficit. When will you guys realize that your tax cuts do not pay for themselves. Trump's tax cuts for himself, his family and the wealthy will come from borrowed funds. Now they are saying they'll cut funds for SS and Medicare. How's that for an accomplishment?

You'd like to avoid talking about Bush, but it is only fair to discuss the difference between 2008 and 2016 when talking about accomplishments. The stock market in early 2009, thanks to the Bush recession was around 6,000 (DJIA)...when Trump walked in the door it was at 18,000. Thanks Obama.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

You add shit to the list as if everyone would agree that it is an accomplishment. Moving the embassy wasn't.

You claimed his tax cut was the huuuuugest ever. It wasn't. My tax cut was worth about $40 every two weeks. BFD. And to get it we are now at a trillion dollar deficit. When will you guys realize that your tax cuts do not pay for themselves. Trump's tax cuts for himself, his family and the wealthy will come from borrowed funds. Now they are saying they'll cut funds for SS and Medicare. How's that for an accomplishment?

You'd like to avoid talking about Bush, but it is only fair to discuss the difference between 2008 and 2016 when talking about accomplishments. The stock market in early 2009, thanks to the Bush recession was around 6,000 (DJIA)...when Trump walked in the door it was at 18,000. Thanks Obama.

But...but...but...BBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

From October 5th, 2016
The U.S. economy has only grown 2% a year since it bottomed out in June 2009. That's far below the typical growth in rosy times of over 4% a year that the U.S. has experienced since World War II. It's even below the rather sluggish rebound during President George W. Bush's tenure of 2.7%.

 

[middleview]

You are speaking to the most vicious, hateful, mean-spirited, raging cvnt (looking at you @NinaS ) ever seen on this board or any other.... and the 2 of you are somehow how saying it's ironic of me to bring up civility?
You @middleview hide behind a semi-polite facade while you conspire with other shitbags to strip people you don't like of their civil rights, and are simply furious when I call that behavior out and warn you that there will be serious real-world repercussions for it...... but I shouldn't dare bring up civility???
You @NinaS , are a nasty shrieking bitch to everyone, all day, every day, for years now.....you have been for as long as I've been here. You don't get to say anything about civility.

Both of you should probably just fvck off out of my thread until you learn how to act right.

By "act right" you mean quit disagreeing with you.

"Semi polite"? The only time I've been less than polite is when someone threatens to come and burn down my home and kill me under the guise of responding to the loss of a non-existent civil right.

 

[middleview]

From October 5th, 2016
The U.S. economy has only grown 2% a year since it bottomed out in June 2009. That's far below the typical growth in rosy times of over 4% a year that the U.S. has experienced since World War II. It's even below the rather sluggish rebound during President George W. Bush's tenure of 2.7%.

But...but...but...BBBBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[middleview]

ROFLMFAO

You are not very bright. My request was for one single thing on the list of Trump accomplishments that you can credit Obama for. You posted none.

I didn't respond to that post. I responded to one asking for one single accomplishment in Obama's 8 years.

I think this is your third or fourth post throwing out an insult in a thread entitled "civility".
Now that is humorous.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

I didn't respond to that post. I responded to one asking for one single accomplishment in Obama's 8 years.

I think this is your third or fourth post throwing out an insult in a thread entitled "civility".
Now that is humorous.

I was told there was no need for civility until the Dems were in power.

 

[middleview]

Feel like a big boy now?

Now that you've confirmed that you prefer insult to adult debate...back on ignore with ya.

 

[middleview]

I was told there was no need for civility until the Dems were in power.

Who told you there was no need to be accurate?

 

[middleview]

Sounds like a bit too much CNN and time in Cali to me and I have yet to see your answer to the question about what obie did
On what planet is helping US and not allowing others to rape US a facist?

On what planet is helping Germany and not allowing others to rape Germany a facist?

Berlin 1933.

 

[Capitalist]

Now that you've confirmed that you prefer insult to adult debate...back on ignore with ya.

NOW you feel like a big boy.

 

[middleview]

Obama clean energy loans leave taxpayers in $2.2 billion hole

Your link is from 2015. I'm looking for something more current, but the total invested was $80 billion. If losses amount to $2b then that would be a pretty good success rate.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Your link is from 2015. I'm looking for something more current, but the total invested was $80 billion. If losses amount to $2b then that would be a pretty good success rate.

Obama Has Little To Show For His Lavish Spending On Roads, Green Energy And E-Cars

Renewable energy: Obama has spent billions of taxpayer dollars subsidizing windmills and solar plants as part of his vision of a "clean energy" future. But despite his repeated claims about a huge increase in renewable energy production, renewables today make up just 11% of the nation's total energy production, according to the Energy Information Administration. In mid-1983, the share of energy production comprised of renewables was … 11%. The biggest shift in energy under Obama came not from a government program, but from fracking, which vastly expanded the supply of domestic oil and natural gas.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Your link is from 2015. I'm looking for something more current, but the total invested was $80 billion. If losses amount to $2b then that would be a pretty good success rate.

Barack Obama Blew $150 Billion to Increase Renewable Energy Generation by 1% Nov 28th, 2015

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

 

[middleview]

Barack Obama Blew $150 Billion to Increase Renewable Energy Generation by 1% Nov 28th, 2015

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

I followed the top link and the supporting info is no longer available...
I then started looking at individual companies. I find no information on Evergreen Solar receiving federal loans.

Beacon Power was purchased by another company and something like $25 million of the $39 million has been paid back.

Schneider Electric is a French company and doing quite well. I can't find any info on a federal loan for them.

Vestas is doing well. They have a lot of employees here in Colorado.

I'm not going to go down the line to provide the facts on each of the companies listed.

Since 2008 renewable energy production has nearly doubled and is now about 11% of total US energy use. Your link claims the percentage of energy use hasn't changed since 1985...Wind wasn't even showing up on the charts and Solar didn't exist then.

The companies that were hit the hardest were victims of Chinese subsidies to their own Solar companies. Would you prefer the Chinese own that industry?

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

I followed the top link and the supporting info is no longer available...
I then started looking at individual companies. I find no information on Evergreen Solar receiving federal loans.

Beacon Power was purchased by another company and something like $25 million of the $39 million has been paid back.

Schneider Electric is a French company and doing quite well. I can't find any info on a federal loan for them.

Vestas is doing well. They have a lot of employees here in Colorado.

I'm not going to go down the line to provide the facts on each of the companies listed.

Since 2008 renewable energy production has nearly doubled and is now about 11% of total US energy use. Your link claims the percentage of energy use hasn't changed since 1985...Wind wasn't even showing up on the charts and Solar didn't exist then.

The companies that were hit the hardest were victims of Chinese subsidies to their own Solar companies. Would you prefer the Chinese own that industry?

"I'm not going to go down the line to provide the facts on each of the companies listed."

yeah, you'll just make shit up instead, so much easier.

 

[freyasman]

By "act right" you mean quit disagreeing with you.

"Semi polite"? The only time I've been less than polite is when someone threatens to come and burn down my home and kill me under the guise of responding to the loss of a non-existent civil right.

"a non-existent civil right."; that right does exist, and you have zero regard or respect for it, even after it has been made clear to you that it is important enough to kill or die over to those of us who do value our civil rights.
That's not very polite or civil of you, IMO.


Now do as you're told and fvck off out of my thread.

 

[middleview]

"a non-existent civil right."; that right does exist, and you have zero regard or respect for it, even after it has been made clear to you that it is important enough to kill or die over to those of us who do value our civil rights.
That's not very polite or civil of you, IMO.


Now do as you're told and fvck off out of my thread.

I don't know what right you are referring to, but I'm talking about the non-existent right to sell a gun to anyone you choose.

Threating to kill someone over a non-existent civil right isn't very polite of you.

Lastly. No. I don't report to you. I'm not in your chain of command.