Climate Update

[Arkady]

Through October, 2017 has been the third-warmest year since the NOAA data set started, back in 1880. 2015 and 2016 are the warmest, thanks to a very strong El Nino in the Winter between 2015 and 2016. But what has been alarming is how temperatures have not dropped back dramatically the way they typically do following strong El Ninos.

In 1998, the temperature anomaly was 0.63 degrees Celsius (the hottest on record, to that point), and the following year the anomaly dropped back to just 0.44 degrees Celsius -- a decline of 0.19 degrees. The last very strong El Nino before that was 1982-83, with an anomaly of 0.34. The next year, it dropped back to 0.18 -- a decrease of 0.16. This time around, the decrease has been from 0.98 degrees Celsius to 0.86 degrees Celsius -- a decline of just 0.12 degrees. So, although the post-El Nino cooling has given us a brief respite, as usual, this time the cooling has been diminished compared to what history would have led us to expect. Even our relatively "cool" years are alarmingly hot these days.

 

[resident_evil]

Through October, 2017 has been the third-warmest year since the NOAA data set started, back in 1880. 2015 and 2016 are the warmest, thanks to a very strong El Nino in the Winter between 2015 and 2016. But what has been alarming is how temperatures have not dropped back dramatically the way they typically do following strong El Ninos.

In 1998, the temperature anomaly was 0.63 degrees Celsius (the hottest on record, to that point), and the following year the anomaly dropped back to just 0.44 degrees Celsius -- a decline of 0.19 degrees. The last very strong El Nino before that was 1982-83, with an anomaly of 0.34. The next year, it dropped back to 0.18 -- a decrease of 0.16. This time around, the decrease has been from 0.98 degrees Celsius to 0.86 degrees Celsius -- a decline of just 0.12 degrees. So, although the post-El Nino cooling has given us a brief respite, as usual, this time the cooling has been diminished compared to what history would have led us to expect. Even our relatively "cool" years are alarmingly hot these days.

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Still not buying it for all the same reasons mentioned before.

 

[Arkady]

Still not buying it for all the same reasons mentioned before.

The data says what it says. The mere fact it's politically inconvenient doesn't change it.

 

[as seen on tv]

"Incredible record setting freezing temperatures . . ."

https://www.weather.gov/lot/2014Nov_cold

 

[Hmmmm]

"Incredible record setting freezing temperatures . . ."

https://www.weather.gov/lot/2014Nov_cold

You are talking about a weather anomaly in a thread about climate. Weather is not climate. Seems we have to repeat that often.

You did notice the huge portion of the U.S. that is "mild". Weird huh? But, then again, it is weather, not climate.

 

[Drumcollie]

CLIMATE UPDATE:

In the Summer it gets hot
In the Winter it gets cold
And it's in between...In between

Isn't GOD Amazing.

 

[Drumcollie]

Death Valley, Calif. now holds the record for the hottest temperature ever recorded in the world with a maximum temperature of 134 degrees. This temperature was not recorded this past summer, but nearly 100 years ago on July 10, 1913.
Death Valley Claims New World Temperature Record
www.weather.com/news/news/death-valley-new-world-temperature-record-20120913

Why is hot in the summer but not hotter? The fact are clear it's just a cycle.

 

[Drumcollie]

Through October, 2017 has been the third-warmest year since the NOAA data set started, back in 1880. 2015 and 2016 are the warmest, thanks to a very strong El Nino in the Winter between 2015 and 2016. But what has been alarming is how temperatures have not dropped back dramatically the way they typically do following strong El Ninos.

In 1998, the temperature anomaly was 0.63 degrees Celsius (the hottest on record, to that point), and the following year the anomaly dropped back to just 0.44 degrees Celsius -- a decline of 0.19 degrees. The last very strong El Nino before that was 1982-83, with an anomaly of 0.34. The next year, it dropped back to 0.18 -- a decrease of 0.16. This time around, the decrease has been from 0.98 degrees Celsius to 0.86 degrees Celsius -- a decline of just 0.12 degrees. So, although the post-El Nino cooling has given us a brief respite, as usual, this time the cooling has been diminished compared to what history would have led us to expect. Even our relatively "cool" years are alarmingly hot these days.

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If the ERF is 4.5 billion years old why didn't you include the 4,499,999963 years you left out?

Is it because it isn't going to make your political point? Seeing how this is not the weather channel.

 

[as seen on tv]

You are talking about a weather anomaly in a thread about climate. Weather is not climate. Seems we have to repeat that often.

You did notice the huge portion of the U.S. that is "mild". Weird huh? But, then again, it is weather, not climate.

yeah - when its hot its "climate change"

when its cold, it's an "anomaly"

the ice age has been receding for 10,000 years. quite an anomaly.

 

[resident_evil]

The data says what it says. The mere fact it's politically inconvenient doesn't change it.

What is inconvenient for you is that your political policies are going to get [Unwelcome language removed] blocked until the elapse of time proves you wrong or ambient air CO2 sequestration technology is implemented. Either way what you want isn't going to happen unless and until you take the guns away. Good luck with that ;0)

 

[Drumcollie]

The data says what it says. The mere fact it's politically inconvenient doesn't change it.

No one is buying your 137 years of data as the determination of what has happened over 4.5 billion years. What Politically inconvenient is the fact that you do not have the real data to compare 1997 with 2,726,425,123 B.C.

You are trying to blame the ERF's Change in Climate as to blame man as to gain control and own the climate as a property. It doesn't belong to you. You did not make it.

 

[resident_evil]

You are talking about a weather anomaly in a thread about climate. Weather is not climate. Seems we have to repeat that often.

You did notice the huge portion of the U.S. that is "mild". Weird huh? But, then again, it is weather, not climate.

@Arkady

At what point does weather demonstrably become climate (or vice versa)?

 

[Drumcollie]

yeah - when its hot its "climate change"

when its cold, it's an "anomaly"

the ice age has been receding for 10,000 years. quite an anomaly.

Funny isn't it that it works out that way...It's also funny that you have this data but our illustrious "I'm- poster of climate change" DID NOT INCLUDE THIS DATA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SERVE HIS PURPOSE.

 

[as seen on tv]

Funny isn't it that it works out that way...It's also funny that you have this data but our illustrious "I'm- poster of climate change" DID NOT INCLUDE THIS DATA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SERVE HIS PURPOSE.

are you saying the official ice age temperature records are "bad data"? or are you admitting that NASA scientists find it uncomfortable to take the long view into account?

 

[Drumcollie]

Antarctica Was Once Home To Rainforest, Say Scientists ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/02/antarctica-was-once-a-rai_n...
Aug 02, 2012 · Scientists drilling off the coast of Antarctica made a startling discovery recently that could hold clues to the Earth's future -- especially if climate ...

Obviously it's a lot colder than it used to be. Otherwise it would be an ice block now.

 

[Arkady]

If the ERF is 4.5 billion years old why didn't you include the 4,499,999963 years you left out?

Is it because it isn't going to make your political point? Seeing how this is not the weather channel.

Math isn't really your thing, is it?

 

[Drumcollie]

are you saying the official ice age temperature records are "bad data"? or are you admitting that NASA scientists find it uncomfortable to take the long view into account?

I am saying that is you take a section that is 0.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo000000000000000000000000000000069421% of the whole and expect it to be representative of the whole data, I think you are fooling your self.

 

[Arkady]

"Incredible record setting freezing temperatures . . ."

https://www.weather.gov/lot/2014Nov_cold

This thread is about climate, not weather. If you want to discuss the weather, it would be more at home in its own thread.

 

[Charcat]

This thread is about climate, not weather. If you want to discuss the weather, it would be more at home in its own thread.

You're doomed!!!! Too bad you have no one to pray to.

 

[Arkady]

Death Valley, Calif. now holds the record for the hottest temperature ever recorded in the world with a maximum temperature of 134 degrees. This temperature was not recorded this past summer, but nearly 100 years ago on July 10, 1913.
Death Valley Claims New World Temperature Record
www.weather.com/news/news/death-valley-new-world-temperature-record-20120913

Why is hot in the summer but not hotter? The fact are clear it's just a cycle.

That strange Death Valley reading is something we've discussed before.

https://www.politicaljack.com/threa...-hottest-on-record.102933/page-3#post-1893955

Long-story-short, there are two possibilities here:

(1) Back in 1913 there was a freakish spike in heat at one specific location on one particular day, even as none of the weather stations anywhere around it showed particularly high readings. This event was so bizarre that a hyper-localized heat wave of that sort had never been seen before and has not been seen again in the 104 years that have passed since then.

(2) A rancher did a sloppy job reading his thermometer.

Which of the two seems more likely to you?