Congratulations, protesters...

[Barbella]

Is this an 'unintended' consequence of your actions, or was it your plan all along?

In St Louis the effect appears to have manifested itself in a 47 per cent rise in homicides, and an 82 per cent increase in robberies compared to the previous year.

Figures in Baltimore show a 60 per cent spike in gun violence compared to the previous year, while murders in Atlanta, Georgia, had increased 32 per cent.

Shootings in Chicago are up 24 per cent, with a similar spike in Los Angeles. In New York City murder rates increased by 13 per cent.

Several of these trends were accompanied by a noticeable slowdown in arrests.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feeling-empowered-police-months-protest.html

 

[freyasman]

Is this an 'unintended' consequence of your actions, or was it your plan all along?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feeling-empowered-police-months-protest.html

Yeah, I saw this too. Remember last year when I told everybody to start being more careful because police response times were going to get longer?

 

[Lukey]

Yeah, I saw this too. Remember last year when I told everybody to start being more careful because police response times were going to get longer?

The ironic part is that just a month or two ago I saw a thread on here where our leftist friends were citing how low the homicide rate had gotten under Obama. I guess the homicide rate is heading back up because he's a lame duck now...

 

[zzigzzag]

Is this an 'unintended' consequence of your actions, or was it your plan all along?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feeling-empowered-police-months-protest.html

It's a mess. The cops aren't really backing off. They're just getting swarmed when they answer a call to any kind of disturbance in the Western District. Makes it a lot harder to sort things out and arrest someone.

They may come out the other side with new priorities that serve everyone.

(Police Commissioner) Batts acknowledged that "the service we're giving is off-target with the community as a whole" and he promised to pay special attention to the Western District.

Veronica Edmonds, a 26-year-old mother of seven in the Gilmor Homes, said she wishes the police would return, and focus on violent crime rather than minor drug offenses.

"If they focused more on criminals and left the petty stuff alone, the community would have more respect for police officers," she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/28/baltimore-murders_n_7463918.html

I think that is true almost everywhere in the country. Fighting crime takes a back seat to raising revenue. The former is difficult and dangerous. The latter has a secret quota that will keep an officer in good standing without breaking a sweat.

 

[freyasman]

The ironic part is that just a month or two ago I saw a thread on here where our leftist friends were citing how low the homicide rate had gotten under Obama. I guess the homicide rate is heading back up because he's a lame duck now...

They don't see it..... unemployment, crime, none of it. They don't see 50yr old men getting laid off from jobs they've had for 25yrs, they don't see crime rising, none of this is visible to their myopic view of the world. And if they did see it, they'd ignore it and deny it.

 

[freyasman]

It's a mess. The cops aren't really backing off. They're just getting swarmed when they answer a call to any kind of disturbance in the Western District. Makes it a lot harder to sort things out and arrest someone.

They may come out the other side with new priorities that serve everyone.

(Police Commissioner) Batts acknowledged that "the service we're giving is off-target with the community as a whole" and he promised to pay special attention to the Western District.

Veronica Edmonds, a 26-year-old mother of seven in the Gilmor Homes, said she wishes the police would return, and focus on violent crime rather than minor drug offenses.

"If they focused more on criminals and left the petty stuff alone, the community would have more respect for police officers," she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/28/baltimore-murders_n_7463918.html

I think that is true almost everywhere in the country. Fighting crime takes a back seat to raising revenue. The former is difficult and dangerous. The latter has a secret quota that will keep an officer in good standing without breaking a sweat.

We had a little community here in Louisiana that was targeted for a wide-scale drug sweep. Dozens of street dealers were picked up, and the news media went down there to do man-on-the-street type interviews with residents. They were shocked when a bunch of the residents, instead of expressing support for LE, pointed out that these guys were just trying to make a living. The economy was simply so shitty, that there wasn't really any other way to earn a living wage other than slinging dope.
I been saying it for years; legalize dope and 90% of our violent crime goes away.

 

[Lukey]

They don't see it..... unemployment, crime, none of it. They don't see 50yr old men getting laid off from jobs they've had for 25yrs, they don't see crime rising, none of this is visible to their myopic view of the world. And if they did see it, they'd ignore it and deny it.

I guess that's the kind of ideological blinders required to continue suggesting that Cuba or even Greece, are the kinds of nations whose economic policies we should emulate...

 

[zzigzzag]

I guess that's the kind of ideological blinders required to continue suggesting that Cuba or even Greece, are the kinds of nations whose economic policies we should emulate...

That's the kind of contortions one has to go through to change a thread about crime in St. Louis and Baltimore into some straw man going on about how he wants the American economy to be like Cuba or Greece.

Morning stretch?

 

[LeilaniMP]

Is this an 'unintended' consequence of your actions, or was it your plan all along?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3104327/The-Ferguson-Effect-Violence-murder-surges-criminal-element-feeling-empowered-police-months-protest.html

Good morning, Barbella

I think the left wants to keep things stirred up. They want the Police to come down heavily on the perps....especially if they are "non-Whites" (have to be PC, ya know)...so they can continue to sow the seeds of racial strife, further controlling the "non-White" masses and making them believe that only they (liberals) care about them.

However, it appears to be backfiring on them. The police aren't stepping into the urban war zones anymore. The thugs, gang bangers and miscreants are running rampant, doing everything they can to kill as many of each other as possible.

This has the unfortunate spillover to killing innocent bystanders.

These communities need to step up and not cave to the "don't snitch" crap and turn these POS' in. They need to report things and not let them flourish.

But, we know that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

....and the libs continue to turn a blind eye.

It's going to get worse, before it gets better.

 

[Lukey]

That's the kind of contortions one has to go through to change a thread about crime in St. Louis and Baltimore into some straw man going on about how he wants the American economy to be like Cuba or Greece.

Morning stretch?

Just keeping it real...

 

[zzigzzag]

Good morning, Barbella

I think the left wants to keep things stirred up. They want the Police to come down heavily on the perps....especially if they are "non-Whites" (have to be PC, ya know)...so they can continue to sow the seeds of racial strife, further controlling the "non-White" masses and making them believe that only they (liberals) care about them.

However, it appears to be backfiring on them. The police aren't stepping into the urban war zones anymore. The thugs, gang bangers and miscreants are running rampant, doing everything they can to kill as many of each other as possible.

This has the unfortunate spillover to killing innocent bystanders.

These communities need to step up and not cove to the "don't snitch" crap and turn these POS' in. They need to report things and not let them flourish.

But, we know that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

....and the libs continue to turn a blind eye.

It's going to get worse, before it gets better.

The police aren't stepping into the urban war zones anymore.

So all of the stories aboout them being swarmed when they go there are bogus?

Get your winger rhetoric straight.

 

[LeilaniMP]

So all of the stories aboout them being swarmed when they go there are bogus?

Get your winger rhetoric straight.

Where did I say they were?

It would behoove you to get your winger BS and faux outrage straight before trying to fling crap at others.

 

[zzigzzag]

Where did I say they were?

It would behoove you to get your winger BS and faux outrage straight before trying to fling crap at others.

You said what I quoted you as saying in my response.

The police aren't stepping into the urban war zones anymore.

 

[LeilaniMP]

You said what I quoted you as saying in my response.

The police aren't stepping into the urban war zones anymore.

Where did I say that their stories of being swarmed are bogus? THAT is what you accused me of posting, which I did not.

 

[zzigzzag]

Where did I say that their stories of being swarmed are bogus? THAT is what you accused me of posting, which I did not.

It always amuses me when the most prolific dot connectors in the world can't move from point A to point B without detailed instructions.

Explain how we have cops being swarmed in areas they "aren't stepping into anymore".

Or play dumb again....either way.

 

[LeilaniMP]

It always amuses me when the most prolific dot connectors in the world can't move from point A to point B without detailed instructions.

Explain how we have cops being swarmed in areas they "aren't stepping into anymore".

Try your game with someone else. It doesn't work with me.

 

[Barbella]

Good morning, Barbella

I think the left wants to keep things stirred up. They want the Police to come down heavily on the perps....especially if they are "non-Whites" (have to be PC, ya know)...so they can continue to sow the seeds of racial strife, further controlling the "non-White" masses and making them believe that only they (liberals) care about them.

However, it appears to be backfiring on them. The police aren't stepping into the urban war zones anymore. The thugs, gang bangers and miscreants are running rampant, doing everything they can to kill as many of each other as possible.

This has the unfortunate spillover to killing innocent bystanders.

These communities need to step up and not cave to the "don't snitch" crap and turn these POS' in. They need to report things and not let them flourish.

But, we know that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

....and the libs continue to turn a blind eye.

It's going to get worse, before it gets better.

It stands to reason that a cop, first of all, doesn't even want to step foot into these war zones... if they wanted to get shot at every time they show their faces, they would've volunteered to fight ISIS in Libya... LOL

Secondly, if I had to worry about being accused of brutality and wrongdoing every time I touched a perp, possibly ruining my career and my life, I'd look the other way, too. It's just not worth it, is it?

That's not what they signed up for. Let these gangbangers kill each other... isn't that what we say about hot spots in the M.E. and other places around the globe? Well.... how is an urban war zone any different?

 

[Lukey]

It always amuses me when the most prolific dot connectors in the world can't move from point A to point B without detailed instructions.

Explain how we have cops being swarmed in areas they "aren't stepping into anymore".

Or play dumb again....either way.

Step A they get surrounded by unruly and menacing crowds every time they answer a call in certain neighborhoods. Step B they stop responding to calls in those neighborhoods. There - glad I could help you add two and two and get four...

 

[zzigzzag]

Step A they get surrounded by unruly and menacing crowds every time they answer a call in certain neighborhoods. Step B they stop responding to calls in those neighborhoods. There - glad I could help you add two and two and get four...

Step A is what I said.

Step B is what the cops say is bullshit.

Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said his officers "are not holding back," despite encountering dangerous hostility in the Western District.

"Our officers tell me that when officers pull up, they have 30 to 50 people surrounding them at any time," Batts said.

Both were assertions I made by faithfully quoting people in the article you didn't read before looking silly again.

But do go on honoring police officers by saying they are cowering from their duties when they say they're not. Might as well assume they're liars, too.

 

[Lukey]

Step A is what I said.

Step B is what the cops say is bullshit.

Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said his officers "are not holding back," despite encountering dangerous hostility in the Western District.

"Our officers tell me that when officers pull up, they have 30 to 50 people surrounding them at any time," Batts said.

Both were assertions I made by faithfully quoting people in the article you didn't read before looking silly again.

But do go on honoring police officers by saying they are cowering from their duties when they say they're not. Might as well assume they're liars, too.

Police "commissioner" is not a "cop" it's a politician/bureacrat. And yeah, what they say is often bullshit.