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conservative case for raising minimum wage

you've acknowledged there are no negatives that you can think of.....good for you.

we just need to raise it to bring people up from the poverty level.

that will also make them less likely to need govt assistance.
 
It will fail, and the reason is simple. The moment you raise minimum wage, the prices for goods and services that minimum wage earners consume will go up. It happens every time that particular strategy is tried.

Sorry, but minimum wage is meant to be a starting point, not a living wage.
 
The Democrats have convinced people that having five babies by five different men and living on welfare for three or four generations is a good option as opposed to getting an education and working for a living. So, they have effectively continued the practice of slavery that they started and supported for a hundred years...
 
It will fail, and the reason is simple. The moment you raise minimum wage, the prices for goods and services that minimum wage earners consume will go up. It happens every time that particular strategy is tried.

Sorry, but minimum wage is meant to be a starting point, not a living wage.

you're mistaken. you're just parroting rightwing talk radio crap.

I gave you the conservative case for raising the minimum wage. read it and see where your talking points are debunked.
 
I did read it.

And my point is not 'debunked' anywhere in your article.

Here's an idea....YOU tell me why the prices of lower/middle consumer goods go up when the minimum wage goes up.

I'll wait.
 
I did read it.

And my point is not 'debunked' anywhere in your article.

Here's an idea....YOU tell me why the prices of lower/middle consumer goods go up when the minimum wage goes up.

I'll wait.



Wait, you mean, like, if labor costs go up, prices could go up? Seriously? Why doesn't the government just cover the difference?
/end sarcasm
 
I did read it.

And my point is not 'debunked' anywhere in your article.

Here's an idea....YOU tell me why the prices of lower/middle consumer goods go up when the minimum wage goes up.

I'll wait.

Julie's link DID address your objection, which is a common one, but not well-founded in economic reasoning. Here is the relevant portion of the article:

With direct replacement via outsourcing or automation unlikely, employers responding to a higher minimum wage would be faced with the choice of either increasing the wages of their lowest paid workers by perhaps a couple of dollars per hour, or eliminating their jobs. There would likely be some job loss,[vii] but given the simultaneous rise in labor costs among all competitors and the localized market for these services, the logical business response would be to raise prices by a few percent to help cover increased costs while also trimming current profit margins. Perhaps consumers would pay 3 percent more for Wal-Mart goods or an extra dime for a McDonald’s hamburger, but most of the jobs would still exist and the price changes would be small compared to typical fluctuations due to commodity and energy prices, international exchange rates, or Chinese production costs.

The resulting one-time inflationary spike would slightly raise living expenses for everyone in our society, but the immediate 20% or 30% boost in the take-home pay of many millions of America’s lowest income workers would make it easy for them to absorb these small costs, while the impact upon the middle or upper classes would be totally negligible. An increase in the hourly minimum wage from the current federal level of $7.25 to (say) $12.00 might also have secondary, smaller ripple effects, boosting wages currently above that level as well.

A minimum wage in this range is hardly absurd or extreme. In 2012 dollars, the American minimum wage was over $10 in 1968 during our peak of postwar prosperity and full employment.[viii] The average minimum wage in Canadian provinces is currently well over $10 per hour, the national figure for France is more than $12, and Australia has the remarkable combination of a minimum wage of nearly $16.50 together with 5 percent unemployment.[ix]

Graphic by New America Foundation

LeRoy: From the graph, you will note that the REAL value of America's minimum wage peaked in 1966, at more than $10 per hour in TODAY'S dollars, at a time when inflation was very low. Inflation in America peaked in the late 1970s, when the real value of the minimum wage was falling rapidly. This contradicts your simplistic assertion that high minimum wages and high inflation should be positively correlated. An assertion which, by the way, you provided no evidentiary support for, but simply stated, and seemed to expect that we should accept it as gospel.
 
The logic does not hold.

If it did, we would never have to raise said wage in the first place.

Would we?

And again...when wages go up...what happens to prices?
 
The logic does not hold.

If it did, we would never have to raise said wage in the first place.

Would we?

And again...when wages go up...what happens to prices?

WHAT?!? Have you ever even TAKEN any economics courses, man? Real wages should rise more or less consistently as technology and productivity advance. And this was the case for the American economy for MOST of our history. During the late 19th century, real wages were rising rapidly in an environment of DEFLATION---falling prices. Your notion that wages and prices somehow HAVE to move in lockstep is simply at stark variance with both economic history and economic theory. Real wages for most Americans---and especially MEN---have been very stagnant since the late 1970s. There is much debate among economists for the reasons for that, but one reason is surely related to our government policies since then, and especially 30 years worth of trickle-down supply-side ideology.
 
Even the 'Conservative' writer of that piece doesn't.

His 'one time spike' is as silly a conclusion as I can think of.

Economic history is replete with examples of one-time spikes in prices. The sharp spike in oil and gas prices that we saw in the summer of 2008 would be a good recent example.
 
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