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"Conservative entertainment complex".

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cgCali

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He said it out loud!

Yes, earlier I saw David Frum"s depiction of today's "conservatives".

"Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," he said.

http://www.thewrap.com/media/articl...lied-conservative-entertainment-complex-64421

He won't name names, but sane people know that Fox and Rush are at the top of that list.

I was only reminded to post about it because of Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. Hell, there's so much Repub BS to report/post on, it's expected that one could forget a thing or two.

But, as many of you know, I recognized this back in the day.

I wasn't so "smooth" and/or "palatable" in my words. I called them GRIFTERS AND PICK-POCKETS.

I'm sure some of you remember that. Sarah Palin was the first major "grifter/pick-pocket" (a quitting Governer, brought to America's attention) that pretty much fell off the radar pretty spectacularly). Ann Coulter even disappeared for a while, to try and get that goiter under control.

But SUPER-GRIFTERS took their place, in the age of "epidemic levels of ODS on the right.

Cons should take heed of David Frum's words.

As long as you don't deal with reality, you'll NEVER make it back into the "game".

Sorry, but it's the stone, cold truth.
 
cgCali said:
He said it out loud!

Yes, earlier I saw David Frum"s depiction of today's "conservatives".

"Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," he said.

http://www.thewrap.com/media/articl...lied-conservative-entertainment-complex-64421

He won't name names, but sane people know that Fox and Rush are at the top of that list.

I was only reminded to post about it because of Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. Hell, there's so much Repub BS to report/post on, it's expected that one could forget a thing or two.

But, as many of you know, I recognized this back in the day.

I wasn't so "smooth" and/or "palatable" in my words. I called them GRIFTERS AND PICK-POCKETS.

I'm sure some of you remember that. Sarah Palin was the first major "grifter/pick-pocket" (a quitting Governer, brought to America's attention) that pretty much fell off the radar pretty spectacularly). Ann Coulter even disappeared for a while, to try and get that goiter under control.

But SUPER-GRIFTERS took their place, in the age of "epidemic levels of ODS on the right.

Cons should take heed of David Frum's words.

As long as you don't deal with reality, you'll NEVER make it back into the "game".

Sorry, but it's the stone, cold truth.
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if they actually believed the nonsense, they dont deserve redemption
 
cgCali said:
He said it out loud!

Yes, earlier I saw David Frum"s depiction of today's "conservatives".

"Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," he said.

http://www.thewrap.com/media/articl...lied-conservative-entertainment-complex-64421

He won't name names, but sane people know that Fox and Rush are at the top of that list.

I was only reminded to post about it because of Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. Hell, there's so much Repub BS to report/post on, it's expected that one could forget a thing or two.

But, as many of you know, I recognized this back in the day.

I wasn't so "smooth" and/or "palatable" in my words. I called them GRIFTERS AND PICK-POCKETS.

I'm sure some of you remember that. Sarah Palin was the first major "grifter/pick-pocket" (a quitting Governer, brought to America's attention) that pretty much fell off the radar pretty spectacularly). Ann Coulter even disappeared for a while, to try and get that goiter under control.

But SUPER-GRIFTERS took their place, in the age of "epidemic levels of ODS on the right.

Cons should take heed of David Frum's words.

As long as you don't deal with reality, you'll NEVER make it back into the "game".

Sorry, but it's the stone, cold truth.
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They're just a bunch of STUPID sheep who think warmongering and Fearmongering is the way to live. Screw them all!!!
 
cgCali said:
He said it out loud!

Yes, earlier I saw David Frum"s depiction of today's "conservatives".

"Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex," he said.

http://www.thewrap.com/media/articl...lied-conservative-entertainment-complex-64421

He won't name names, but sane people know that Fox and Rush are at the top of that list.

I was only reminded to post about it because of Lawrence O'Donnell tonight. Hell, there's so much Repub BS to report/post on, it's expected that one could forget a thing or two.

But, as many of you know, I recognized this back in the day.

I wasn't so "smooth" and/or "palatable" in my words. I called them GRIFTERS AND PICK-POCKETS.

I'm sure some of you remember that. Sarah Palin was the first major "grifter/pick-pocket" (a quitting Governer, brought to America's attention) that pretty much fell off the radar pretty spectacularly). Ann Coulter even disappeared for a while, to try and get that goiter under control.

But SUPER-GRIFTERS took their place, in the age of "epidemic levels of ODS on the right.

Cons should take heed of David Frum's words.

As long as you don't deal with reality, you'll NEVER make it back into the "game".

Sorry, but it's the stone, cold truth.
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This whole phenomenon traces back to the early-80's. Some GOP luminary wrote a book about it. Up to that point, earnest, competent and motivated conservatives were all about promoting the conservative cause. The idea was that if the conservative CAUSE succeeded, then it would enhance their chances of personal success. Almost overnight though, people started to figure out that they could make way more money, way more quickly, simply by shilling conservative causes. The gold wasn't in the cause's sucess, it was in the shouting.

That angle never took root on the left - not that some didn't try. But, the left has always tended to call out and put the breaks on those who seem to be profitting from their causes, without producing results. And now...30 years later, the Fox/GOP is in a big-assed bind. How does the party of individual success, and free-markets, and profit uber-alles, "discipline" itself? Frankly, I don't see how it can.
 
fairsheet said:
This whole phenomenon traces back to the early-80's. Some GOP luminary wrote a book about it. Up to that point, earnest, competent and motivated conservatives were all about promoting the conservative cause. The idea was that if the conservative CAUSE succeeded, then it would enhance their chances of personal success. Almost overnight though, people started to figure out that they could make way more money, way more quickly, simply by shilling conservative causes. The gold wasn't in the cause's sucess, it was in the shouting.

That angle never took root on the left - not that some didn't try. But, the left has always tended to call out and put the breaks on those who seem to be profitting from their causes, without producing results. And now...30 years later, the Fox/GOP is in a big-assed bind. How does the party of individual success, and free-markets, and profit uber-alles, "discipline" itself? Frankly, I don't see how it can.
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Very astute observation(s) of history, fair.
 
cgCali said:
Very astute observation(s) of history, fair.
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well as america invented modern marketing and applied selling the sizzle rather than the steak to every commodity imaginable, you can hardly blame them from following their own noses.
 
cgCali said:
Very astute observation(s) of history, fair.
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Over the last decade or so, some blues have bemoaned the fact of the blue's lack of commercial success, as compared with the red's. they weren't getting not just that it was a compliment to the blues that they couldn't compete with the reds, but that it's been to the blue's benefit that that model doesn't work among blues.
 
They're a bunch of televangelists/tent revivalists* selling the idea for profit and delivering no substance and fleecing the sheeple. The mega-church of the GOP.

*Amy Semple, Elmer Gantry, Jim and Tammy...et al
 
Frum attempt to marginalize this faction of the Republico-Social Engineering subset.

It's clear that Frum has been saying throughout this campaign season that some statements were boomerangs and would come back to haunt those who repeat, then rinse, then repeat, the same old tired rhetoric of diviseness and exclusion.

So now, the panic driven speculation on Friday was immigration reform; not because it's the very top issue, the economy is, but because it's the top issue to get a larger voting base in the GOP.

But I am listening to Latino political junkies and I am hearing unless the "platform" of the GOP is attractive to the Latino voter, they will not succeed.

See, the GOP is engineering a "Stockholm Syndrome" like model; if they petition for amnesty, and then stronger border control, they believe that this olive branch will open a gate, and Latino voters will flood in.

That's one leg of this whole political calculus, so now in Texas we have George P. running for office, and the newest dream is to have Rubio team up with this president on immigration reform.

The hidden message in that is this; while many really did ride the President's coattails to re-election, what the GOP is trying to do now is have Rubio ride this President's coattails to the presidency.

This is another case of "me too" thinking from the GOP.

the real problem????? "NO ORIGINAL IDEAS", they used to have a lot of them, but not anymore.


Regards
Pace
 
"The hidden message in that is this; while many really did ride the President's coattails to re-election, what the GOP is trying to do now is have Rubio ride this President's coattails to the presidency."


You brought up something that got lost in all the post-mortems, that NOBODY's talking about, PACE.

The President DID have "coattails".

And yes, Romney tried the "me too strategy", and failed spectacularly.

As much as their "dumbed down constituents" will hate it, as we get closer to 2016, you'll see more Repubs sounding like President Obama. It might not even take that long. Guarantee it!

I'm sure I don't have to tell you, PACE, but this election was even MORE important than 2008.

It proves that 2008 wasn't a fluke, it wasn't an anomaly. 2012 proved that this country WANTS MORE of what our President is doing. He's changed the game (FOR THEM)!

Good!!!
 
Frum has long served as a prime example to me cg, of the morality-based governing nature of the modern rightwingnut brain and the denial it promotes, thrives and is totally dependent on. This is not to say that ours on the left isn't, because I think morality and politics are inseparable. It's the reality v faith-based nature of it that differentiates us every bit as much as their worship of individual greed and authoritarianism versus our pursuit of the satisfaction of societal needs does. They want the individual to be supreme and of sole consideration, whereas we recognize a need to balance that with those of the community, so their collective mental malady and warped morality can rightly be seen as the natural product of their pursuit of that particular "deadly sin".


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith

To make a long story short -- which rarely does it justice lol -- as a major contributor to the production of it, both actively and through his silence for so long, he like a couple of others that come to mind like Bartlett, Andrew Sullivan, have become worse critics of their former comrades than most so-called liberals of comparative equal stature, as an act of penance to alleviate the guilt/shame they have for their being part of the darkside on so much.

This is of course not and effort to rebut what he said, because it's all verifiably true, but rather an explanation for it. It's like with about anyone leaving a cult -- and in this case, a very bad one -- it's better to focus on their continuing faults than to dwell on your former involvement in it, because salvation and freedom from shame lies in putting your sins behind you.

on a more topical note, I liked your "pick pockets and grifters" better...lol
 
"This is of course not and effort to rebut what he said, because it's all verifiably true, but rather an explanation for it. It's like with about anyone leaving a cult -- and in this case, a very bad one -- it's better to focus on their continuing faults than to dwell on your former involvement in it, because salvation and freedom from shame lies in putting your sins behind you."


I hear ya, stupe. It's like watching a documentary, featuring the survivors of Jim Jones in Guayana (sp?). They never reveal their complicity in it.
 
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
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OK, my new sig.
 
888888 said:
Who knows what Rubio's past has in it, but if he runs for President we will find out.
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Yep!

Vetting is ONLY something Repubs think Dems should get.

Should be good!

And in addition, whoever the Dem nominee is in 2016, they will SURELY adopt and employ the "Obama model" of running a campaign.

It was stunning.
 
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