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Curses – foiled again !!!!

General Keith Alexander testified yesterday that “dozens” of terror attacks have been "foiled" by vacuuming up millions of Americans’ phone calls daily.

Um . . .okay. We know about that one in 2009. Any others you’d care to be specific on? And more importantly, were there any arrests, or did the bad guys get away?

I am intrigued by the use of the odd term “foiled”. That means “parried, frustrated, or prevented”. So how exactly does this work, General? You hear something suspicious on the phone, go to make an arrest, but nobody is there? And when a bomb DOESN’T go off, you place a check mark in the “foiled again” column, and celebrate by going out for a beer?

That’s sort of like claiming victory on the battlefield, when none of the enemy are actually killed, right? You got that metric from Vietnam, I bet.

I’m not saying there COULDN’T have been “dozens” of terror plots foiled. I’m just asking for something a bit more believable to go on here. Given that LAST month, in the wake of the Boston Marathon tragedy, some ex inmate with a snake tattoo, living in a rural single wide, was arrested for having a rifle and a pipe bomb, and the government made it front page news that a major terror plot had been averted . . . ? Since there seems to be a propensity to strike up the band in the most picayune possible terror circumstances. .. where are the arrests in the “foiled” cases, General?

No matter, polls show that 62% of Americans feel having the government intercept their phone calls, read their emails, and analyze their tweets is a fair tradeoff (rhymes with Madoff) to prevent the next Boston Marathon bombing. Or guy with a snake tattoo from . . . well, what WAS he going to do? So the general’s testimony concering foiled is as moot as it is a hoot.

Next up – polls show that since 62% of Americans “lean secular”, and are willing to dispense with the freedom of religion clause in the bill of rights, we can dispense with those protections. And regarding freedom of speech? First tell us what you want to talk about, then we’ll have the government determine if that’s allowed. Raise your hand if you’re okay with these erosions. Oops better not - that might get you audited.

Put me on the record as "not okay. It's like the Who sang at the superbowl – “Meet the new boss – same as the old boss - we won’t get foiled again”. (or words to that effect)

Full disclosure – I’m willing to consider surrendering my 3rd amendment rights. You know – the one that says I cannot be forced to “billet troops in my domicile”. I'm willing to possibly surrender this right. It would depend on the actual soldier though. If he’s single, drug and disease free, no snake tats, and has his own assault rifle, we should talk.
 
That is the thing about covert action throughout history, the CIA never kisses and tells. It is like a affair breakup that was remains hidden from the spouse. So don't ask because they won't tell, ask, and they still won't tell.

Reality 101 as history knows it to be.
 
Full disclosure – I’m willing to consider surrendering my 3rd amendment rights. You know – the one that says I cannot be forced to “billet troops in my domicile”. I'm willing to possibly surrender this right. It would depend on the actual soldier though. If he’s single, drug and disease free, no snake tats, and has his own assault rifle, we should talk.

Interesting...never heard of a woman using the Constitution like E-Harmony.

:)
 
That is the thing about covert action throughout history, the CIA never kisses and tells. It is like a affair breakup that was remains hidden from the spouse. So don't ask because they won't tell, ask, and they still won't tell.

Reality 101 as history knows it to be.

mino - mostly i agree (no kiss and tell). that said, the government was quick to brag about the 2009 incident, and the guy with the snake tattoo. which begs the question. if there were dozens more, why did only those 2 get tickertape parade? something fishy here
 
mino - mostly i agree (no kiss and tell). that said, the government was quick to brag about the 2009 incident, and the guy with the snake tattoo. which begs the question. if there were dozens more, why did only those 2 get tickertape parade? something fishy here

Covert operations will always appear "fishy" to the more paranoid among us.
 
mino - mostly i agree (no kiss and tell). that said, the government was quick to brag about the 2009 incident, and the guy with the snake tattoo. which begs the question. if there were dozens more, why did only those 2 get tickertape parade? something fishy here

Maybe it simply served their purpose. Perhaps something as simple as being an example that they are actually doing something - like lipstick on the collar left intact for the testosterone laden boy's at the gym to admire. ;)

In covert action though it may have been to relax the worried population a little by revealing some of their work that can be revealed. But really, who knows?
 
Maybe it simply served their purpose. Perhaps something as simple as being an example that they are actually doing something - like lipstick on the collar left intact for the testosterone laden boy's at the gym to admire. ;)

In covert action though it may have been to relax the worried population a little by revealing some of their work that can be revealed. But really, who knows?

mino - the mirror has two faces. earlier this week i said it was up to snowden to prove he was not a traitor, and did this for high minded purposes. along the same lines, i now assert it is general alexanders obligation to be forthcoming, since he broached the topic on direct examination by the prosecution - they can ask followup questions on specifics.

you can't continually say "i know something you don't, and its a secret", and get away with it for long.
 
mino - the mirror has two faces. earlier this week i said it was up to snowden to prove he was not a traitor, and did this for high minded purposes. along the same lines, i now assert it is general alexanders obligation to be forthcoming, since he broached the topic on direct examination by the prosecution - they can ask followup questions on specifics.

you can't continually say "i know something you don't, and its a secret", and get away with it for long.

Looks like Congress cooperates with covert so it is unlikely to go any further than making the statement. We can watch for whether they do dig further or drop that part. Some few in Congress likely already knew the actions taken as they happened due to the check and balance systems used to inform Congress on some covert. The public - not so much. I plead ignorance of the subject beyond that thought though.
 
you can't continually say "i know something you don't, and its a secret", and get away with it for long.

Only for so long as you maintain covert operations. Considering the fact that all of our potential enemies practice covert operations against the US, I doubt that you'll get much public support for ending covert operations by the US government.
 
Only for so long as you maintain covert operations. Considering the fact that all of our potential enemies practice covert operations against the US, I doubt that you'll get much public support for ending covert operations by the US government.

sorry i didn't make myself clear - nothing in my post suggested an end to covert operations. my point was that you can't testify in congress that "i have a secret" and then refuse to elaborate. you either keep your mouth shut from the start, or you talk about covert ops you're willing to now reveal.
 
geck - there's a "penumbra" perambulating from the "life liberty and pursuit of happiness" preamble that presupposes my presumption.

You could start dating black men....according to the Founders they only count as 3/5ths of a person, so you could date 40% more without being considered slutty.

:)
 
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