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Defining the Alt Right

reason10

Governor
I'll present this in point by point form, so folks can respond; this will include the intelligent folks and the liberals.

1. I stand corrected when I suggested a while back that there was such a thing as the Alt Left. There isn't. All anti-American left wingers are in total lockstep with their agenda and they don't dare move from the ideology. It includes: impeach Trump; raise taxes, open borders, government controlled health care; disarm the public and overturn the Second Amendment, abolish ICE and the Border Patrol, increase welfare spending, outlaw all internal combustion vehicles. There is no Alt Left. There is just the left.

2. There has been some confusion about the Alt Right. Some who haven't studied this phenomenon may think the Alt Right is just further to the right than the average conservative. That isn't even close to factual. The Alt Right and mainstream conservatism is almost as far apart as right and left.

3. To quote Ben Shapiro, (a conservative who is routinely bashed by the Alt Right) "The Alt Right believes ideology and ethnicity are inextricably intertwined, the same identity politics of the left. On the identity politics left, if you're a black person and a leftist, you're a leftist and a Democrat because you are black. On the identity politics of the Alt Right, western civilization was not built by people with good ideas; it was built by people with white skin, and that means people who don't have white skin cannot properly assimilate into western civilization. This has no basis whatsoever on fact. There were a lot of white skinned people living in Britain before the Romans arrived and they were not anywhere near civilized.

4. Mainstream conservatism (which makes up the vast majority of legal Americans) believes the greatness of America was achieved by the IDEALS of the Founding Fathers, not their skin color. Such ideas include liberty, religious freedom and the rule of law. Some idiots have actually accused Shapiro of being Alt Right, when for the past year the Alt Right has bashed him for being a Jew. It's even a little iffy to suggest he's a conservative because didn't didn't actually vote for Trump, (or Hillary).

5. Mainstream conservatives who speak for most of America include people like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, the late William F. Buckley, etc. You'll notice they don't all agree all the time. They aren't in lockstep like the left.

6. The Alt Right makes up a TINY minority of Americans. If you're wondering where they get a lot of their ideas from, in this video Ben Shapiro reveals a clip of Jarrod Taylor, an long time Alt Right spokesman, who very clearly lays out the message of the Alt Right.

7. Wanna know why I get so pissed off when a left winger plays the race card here? ("you're afraid of too many brown people coming to America, yadda yadda yadda.") I grew up in an era of REAL racism, back when civil rights ideas of today were considered dangerous to have. Back in the late fifties, early Sixties, Jim Crow laws successfully segregated everything from lunch counters, public water fountains and public bathrooms. I saw it up close and personally. Back then, the Ku Klux Klan was considered mainstream and was 100 times larger than it is today. (Today the entire membership of the KKK would barely fill a small time mall.) Back then the KKK was most powerful in Democrat controlled states. I grew up in North Carolina, a closed primary state where Democrats basically ruled everything, where my parents had to register Democrat to be able to vote in local elections. Back then, the KKK was about as admired as the local American Legion.
(I actually got suspended here for calling out a liberal for a racist remark. I won't put up with it and if it happens again I'll call the poster out, and I don't care if I'm banned for life. This is the 21st Century and racism has no place here whatsoever. I don't have to put up with it. Life is too short.)
 
I'll present this in point by point form, so folks can respond; this will include the intelligent folks and the liberals.

1. I stand corrected when I suggested a while back that there was such a thing as the Alt Left. There isn't. All anti-American left wingers are in total lockstep with their agenda and they don't dare move from the ideology. It includes: impeach Trump; raise taxes, open borders, government controlled health care; disarm the public and overturn the Second Amendment, abolish ICE and the Border Patrol, increase welfare spending, outlaw all internal combustion vehicles. There is no Alt Left. There is just the left.

2. There has been some confusion about the Alt Right. Some who haven't studied this phenomenon may think the Alt Right is just further to the right than the average conservative. That isn't even close to factual. The Alt Right and mainstream conservatism is almost as far apart as right and left.

3. To quote Ben Shapiro, (a conservative who is routinely bashed by the Alt Right) "The Alt Right believes ideology and ethnicity are inextricably intertwined, the same identity politics of the left. On the identity politics left, if you're a black person and a leftist, you're a leftist and a Democrat because you are black. On the identity politics of the Alt Right, western civilization was not built by people with good ideas; it was built by people with white skin, and that means people who don't have white skin cannot properly assimilate into western civilization. This has no basis whatsoever on fact. There were a lot of white skinned people living in Britain before the Romans arrived and they were not anywhere near civilized.

4. Mainstream conservatism (which makes up the vast majority of legal Americans) believes the greatness of America was achieved by the IDEALS of the Founding Fathers, not their skin color. Such ideas include liberty, religious freedom and the rule of law. Some idiots have actually accused Shapiro of being Alt Right, when for the past year the Alt Right has bashed him for being a Jew. It's even a little iffy to suggest he's a conservative because didn't didn't actually vote for Trump, (or Hillary).

5. Mainstream conservatives who speak for most of America include people like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, the late William F. Buckley, etc. You'll notice they don't all agree all the time. They aren't in lockstep like the left.

6. The Alt Right makes up a TINY minority of Americans. If you're wondering where they get a lot of their ideas from, in this video Ben Shapiro reveals a clip of Jarrod Taylor, an long time Alt Right spokesman, who very clearly lays out the message of the Alt Right.

7. Wanna know why I get so pissed off when a left winger plays the race card here? ("you're afraid of too many brown people coming to America, yadda yadda yadda.") I grew up in an era of REAL racism, back when civil rights ideas of today were considered dangerous to have. Back in the late fifties, early Sixties, Jim Crow laws successfully segregated everything from lunch counters, public water fountains and public bathrooms. I saw it up close and personally. Back then, the Ku Klux Klan was considered mainstream and was 100 times larger than it is today. (Today the entire membership of the KKK would barely fill a small time mall.) Back then the KKK was most powerful in Democrat controlled states. I grew up in North Carolina, a closed primary state where Democrats basically ruled everything, where my parents had to register Democrat to be able to vote in local elections. Back then, the KKK was about as admired as the local American Legion.
(I actually got suspended here for calling out a liberal for a racist remark. I won't put up with it and if it happens again I'll call the poster out, and I don't care if I'm banned for life. This is the 21st Century and racism has no place here whatsoever. I don't have to put up with it. Life is too short.)

What you also have to understand (and even Maha Rushie doesn't get it when he hears the term "classical liberal" and fumes about it) is that today's anti-American liberalism is based on the 1962 Port Huron Statement. Up to that point, the term Liberal meant free market capitalism and smaller government. Today it is totally the opposite.
 
Aaaaah The Alt right as described by the Party of slavery, segregation, the KKK, shut down the right to vote for blacks, the rioters for blacks getting jobs of position 1896....is now going to do a tell all.

Glass houses!
 
Aaaaah The Alt right as described by the Party of slavery, segregation, the KKK, shut down the right to vote for blacks, the rioters for blacks getting jobs of position 1896....is now going to do a tell all.

Glass houses!

Like I said, the Alt Right and the left are BOTH based on identity politics.
 
r1 #2
Thanks.

"It [liberal] is pretty much now a lost word, in the original sense of being an effort to restrain government; and one has to keep that in mind when using it." William F. Buckley Jr. April 2, 2000 on C-SPAN

Thus by today's usage standards, restraining government is "conservative".

As you know, liberal and conservative are not contemporary synonyms.
 
Like I said, the Alt Right and the left are BOTH based on identity politics.

The only one here playing identity politics is the left.

The lefts needs racism

The left needs you to know he was black or white.

The Left needs you to believe that Hispanics are not white people.

The left does not start with you are a human being first.

The left makes their biggest mistakes by being the party of Obvious, particularly when they claim to help someone. The expectation of something returned is always implied, such as the border crisis, and new democratic voters.

You can best believe there is an alt left...they just changed the name every three minutes
to try and hide who they really are.

Global freezing

Global warming

Climate Change

Global dimming

Climate ethics


You get the picture

alt-left - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alt-left
Nov 27, 2018 · Instead, today, a subversive alt-government is emerging, in line with the alt-left's growing resistance to use any means necessary to slow, stop and obstruct Trump’s agenda, from inside the government, to make America ungovernable.

There is an alt left...and always hasd been.
 
r1 #2
Thanks.

"It [liberal] is pretty much now a lost word, in the original sense of being an effort to restrain government; and one has to keep that in mind when using it." William F. Buckley Jr. April 2, 2000 on C-SPAN

Thus by today's usage standards, restraining government is "conservative".

As you know, liberal and conservative are not contemporary synonyms.

The first established use of the term in a political context originated in 1818 with François-René de Chateaubriand[5] during the period of Bourbon Restoration that sought to roll back the policies of the French Revolution. Historically associated with right-wing politics, the term has since been used to describe a wide range of views. There is no single set of policies regarded as conservative because the meaning of conservatism depends on what is considered traditional in a given place and time. Thus conservatives from different parts of the world—each upholding their respective traditions—may disagree on a wide range of issues. Edmund Burke, an 18th-century politician who opposed the French Revolution but supported the American Revolution, is credited as one of the main theorists of conservatism in Great Britain in the 1790s.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism


It is just a label, what the left is all about. Labels versus action would be the real difference here. The left is labels.
 
r1 #2
Thanks.

"It [liberal] is pretty much now a lost word, in the original sense of being an effort to restrain government; and one has to keep that in mind when using it." William F. Buckley Jr. April 2, 2000 on C-SPAN

Thus by today's usage standards, restraining government is "conservative".

As you know, liberal and conservative are not contemporary synonyms.

Ironic, since Buckley could be considered the father of modern day conservatism.
 
The only one here playing identity politics is the left.

The lefts needs racism

The left needs you to know he was black or white.

The Left needs you to believe that Hispanics are not white people.

The left does not start with you are a human being first.

The left makes their biggest mistakes by being the party of Obvious, particularly when they claim to help someone. The expectation of something returned is always implied, such as the border crisis, and new democratic voters.

You can best believe there is an alt left...they just changed the name every three minutes
to try and hide who they really are.

Global freezing

Global warming

Climate Change

Global dimming

Climate ethics


You get the picture

alt-left - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alt-left
Nov 27, 2018 · Instead, today, a subversive alt-government is emerging, in line with the alt-left's growing resistance to use any means necessary to slow, stop and obstruct Trump’s agenda, from inside the government, to make America ungovernable.

There is an alt left...and always hasd been.

I know you probably think that because the Alt Right is not that big a group. On a Saturday Night, they likely wouldn't fill a Burger King. But they do engage in identity politics. And I maintain there is no left and alt left because the left is all about extremism. There is no version of the left that is more extremist. It is ALL basically a Nazi goose step ideology.
 
Thanks Dc.
I don't mean to taint my appreciation for your thoughtful contribution. But just a friendly FYI. I virtually never use Wiki, and do not regard it as an authoritative source, unlike Encyclopedia Britannica for example.
 
The only one here playing identity politics is the left.

The lefts needs racism

The left needs you to know he was black or white.

The Left needs you to believe that Hispanics are not white people.

The left does not start with you are a human being first.

The left makes their biggest mistakes by being the party of Obvious, particularly when they claim to help someone. The expectation of something returned is always implied, such as the border crisis, and new democratic voters.

You can best believe there is an alt left...they just changed the name every three minutes
to try and hide who they really are.

Global freezing

Global warming

Climate Change

Global dimming

Climate ethics


You get the picture

alt-left - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alt-left
Nov 27, 2018 · Instead, today, a subversive alt-government is emerging, in line with the alt-left's growing resistance to use any means necessary to slow, stop and obstruct Trump’s agenda, from inside the government, to make America ungovernable.

There is an alt left...and always hasd been.

Folks, if there is ANY question as to which side of the aisle is independent and which side is in Nazi lock step, just look at this exchange. Here is a fellow conservative and I DISAGREEING on a point. Conservatives are lucky we can agree on lunch, because we're the ONLY independent thinkers out there.

The left is made up of the dumbest fux on the planet, all willing to goose step their way right off the cliff.
 
Ironic, since Buckley could be considered the father of modern day conservatism.
Ideological Media Are All Talk, No Walk

Buckley, and all the anti-Communist pundits back then, never called out the younger generation of Conservatives, Young Republicans, and Young Americans for Freedom (Aynal Randies) for weaseling out of fighting the Communists in Vietnam. So, this hypocritical ideology is like a religion where all the believer has to do is attend services on Sunday, hate other religions, and is then excused from practicing the tenets of it, especially if they require any kind of sacrifice at all. Conservativism's preachers on TV (Tell a Vision) are like the greedy, whoremongering, irreligious slime that disgrace so many other religions.

We all knew that the sissyboy brats who used pull to get in the never-to-be-activated National Guard were unpatriotic. But evangelists for Conservatism, with their fanatical pro-war punditry, misled us into thinking that those traitors must have been only the apolitical richkids: male versions of Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian. It was a great shock to me to find out Chickenhawk Daddy Bush picked Danny Quayle, the Kokomo Commando, to be his running mate. The Leftist media, still remembering the era, immediately called him out on it, which itself was hypocritical because they had wanted everybody to dodge the draft
 
I'll present this in point by point form, so folks can respond; this will include the intelligent folks and the liberals.

1. I stand corrected when I suggested a while back that there was such a thing as the Alt Left. There isn't. All anti-American left wingers are in total lockstep with their agenda and they don't dare move from the ideology. It includes: impeach Trump; raise taxes, open borders, government controlled health care; disarm the public and overturn the Second Amendment, abolish ICE and the Border Patrol, increase welfare spending, outlaw all internal combustion vehicles. There is no Alt Left. There is just the left.

2. There has been some confusion about the Alt Right. Some who haven't studied this phenomenon may think the Alt Right is just further to the right than the average conservative. That isn't even close to factual. The Alt Right and mainstream conservatism is almost as far apart as right and left.

3. To quote Ben Shapiro, (a conservative who is routinely bashed by the Alt Right) "The Alt Right believes ideology and ethnicity are inextricably intertwined, the same identity politics of the left. On the identity politics left, if you're a black person and a leftist, you're a leftist and a Democrat because you are black. On the identity politics of the Alt Right, western civilization was not built by people with good ideas; it was built by people with white skin, and that means people who don't have white skin cannot properly assimilate into western civilization. This has no basis whatsoever on fact. There were a lot of white skinned people living in Britain before the Romans arrived and they were not anywhere near civilized.

4. Mainstream conservatism (which makes up the vast majority of legal Americans) believes the greatness of America was achieved by the IDEALS of the Founding Fathers, not their skin color. Such ideas include liberty, religious freedom and the rule of law. Some idiots have actually accused Shapiro of being Alt Right, when for the past year the Alt Right has bashed him for being a Jew. It's even a little iffy to suggest he's a conservative because didn't didn't actually vote for Trump, (or Hillary).

5. Mainstream conservatives who speak for most of America include people like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro, the late William F. Buckley, etc. You'll notice they don't all agree all the time. They aren't in lockstep like the left.

6. The Alt Right makes up a TINY minority of Americans. If you're wondering where they get a lot of their ideas from, in this video Ben Shapiro reveals a clip of Jarrod Taylor, an long time Alt Right spokesman, who very clearly lays out the message of the Alt Right.

7. Wanna know why I get so pissed off when a left winger plays the race card here? ("you're afraid of too many brown people coming to America, yadda yadda yadda.") I grew up in an era of REAL racism, back when civil rights ideas of today were considered dangerous to have. Back in the late fifties, early Sixties, Jim Crow laws successfully segregated everything from lunch counters, public water fountains and public bathrooms. I saw it up close and personally. Back then, the Ku Klux Klan was considered mainstream and was 100 times larger than it is today. (Today the entire membership of the KKK would barely fill a small time mall.) Back then the KKK was most powerful in Democrat controlled states. I grew up in North Carolina, a closed primary state where Democrats basically ruled everything, where my parents had to register Democrat to be able to vote in local elections. Back then, the KKK was about as admired as the local American Legion.
(I actually got suspended here for calling out a liberal for a racist remark. I won't put up with it and if it happens again I'll call the poster out, and I don't care if I'm banned for life. This is the 21st Century and racism has no place here whatsoever. I don't have to put up with it. Life is too short.)

1. I’m a left-winger. I don’t call myself anti-American but it’s fair to see I’m virtually always on the opposite side from the American rulers. And I don’t support higher taxes on anyone except the ruling class, I support lower taxes for the vast majority; I don’t support outlawing internal combustion engines; and I absolutely don’t support disarming the public or doing away with the Second Amendment. Most leftistsin the U.S. don’t support as many as half of the things on your list.
2. The alt-right largely grew out of mainstream conservatism. Such conservative leaders as Ronald Reagan, Ron Paul, and Donald Trump have been major inspirations for the growth of the alt-right.
5. None of those people speaks for more than a loud minority.
 
Aaaaah The Alt right as described by the Party of slavery, segregation, the KKK, shut down the right to vote for blacks, the rioters for blacks getting jobs of position 1896....is now going to do a tell all.

Glass houses!
The Democrats are the historical party of the KKK. The Republicans are the party of the KKK today. The Crusader, the KKK newspaper, was the only national newspaper to endorse Trump in the 2016 election.
 
“Alt-right” is a term invented by Progs to paste regular conservatives with racist labels.
 
The Democrats are the historical party of the KKK. The Republicans are the party of the KKK today. The Crusader, the KKK newspaper, was the only national newspaper to endorse Trump in the 2016 election.

Bullshit...………...KKK today are the Blue States and they now turning their backs on their enslaved HUD PROJECT blacks for the Brown illegals...…..

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opi...s-cop-killers-accomplices-cannot-reported-ice

I hope the Mexicans take Cali back...…………….
 
The Democrats are the historical party of the KKK. The Republicans are the party of the KKK today. The Crusader, the KKK newspaper, was the only national newspaper to endorse Trump in the 2016 election.
Starbucks serves KKK members. Apple sells to them. Google searches for them.

Go forth and protest!
 
Bullshit...………...KKK today are the Blue States and they now turning their backs on their enslaved HUD PROJECT blacks for the Brown illegals...…..

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opi...s-cop-killers-accomplices-cannot-reported-ice

I hope the Mexicans take Cali back...…………….
OLD SCHOOL: Manifest Destiny
NEW AGE: Many Fuzzy Desktops

What happened to the Spirit of 1846? Surrendering to the HeirHead Whiteys Hating Whitey who stole California from us and gave it to the banditos betrays our traditions.
 
“Alt-right” is a term invented by Progs to paste regular conservatives with racist labels.

Ok, so these are just your regular, run of the mill republicans...Got it.

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Like I said, the Alt Right and the left are BOTH based on identity politics.

I wonder why Trump brought the likes of Bannon and Gorka into the White House?
I agree with you that Alt-right groups are far, far to the right and do not represent main stream conservatives...but I disagree with you that groups like Antifa represent anything but a violent reaction to the alt-right. I have yet to hear a political policy from Antifa...they simply want to shut down the KKK and neo-Nazi groups that have gotten so much press.

Who is running for office from Antifa or BLM? What is their political platform? The most extreme left wing politicians I see today are more focused on corporations. Warren has a pretty offensive idea of controlling the boards of corporations...but I wouldn't call her alt-left. In her case it is economic, not racial. In the case of the alt-right it is violent white supremacy.
 
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