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Dem rep Jeff Van Drew, D-N.J, admits Dem impeachment process is like "third world countries"

Mick

The Right is always right
https://www.foxnews.com/media/van-drew-reveals-reason-for-voting-against-impeachment

Snippets from the article:

"We have to understand, impeachment is something that's supposed to be exceptionally unusual. It is supposed to be bipartisan. It is supposed to be fair," Van Drew said

This has nothing to do with whether you like Donald Trump, or don't like him, or want to see him have a second term or win in an election. This has to do with the institution of impeachment itself and not misusing it," he argued.

"You know, De Tocqueville in 1853 wrote that if a nation was more and more often using...impeachment as a way of actually removing its leaders, it would show the deterioration of the nation," Van Drew said.

"It is so rarely used, should be rarely used. And as I've mentioned to you before, it is something that during the hundreds of years of American history has never been successfully used," he added.

Comparing the impeachment of a president to "more like something you would see in Europe or third-world nations," Van Drew encouraged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to shift her focus to "real issues" for the remaining 14 working days in Congress before year's end


And the whopper to finish it off.....

"At the end of the day we’ll have the same president and same candidate and a failed impeachment process, and the only difference would be that the president will have been exonerated of charges," Van Drew said.


Ouch. A blistering attack by a a Dem admitting the Dem process is a failure, a scam, and lacks due process. Admitting that impeachment should be used only in extreme, rare circumstances. Admitting that if it's not bipartisan it is doomed to fail. Admitting that it makes America look like a 3rd world, left wing banana republic. Admitting the process has never been successfully executed in 250 years of America's history. And admitting above all that it will not remove President Trump from office but only lead to his exoneration.

Any Dems dare to refute what he admitted?
 
Van Drew’s position is at odds with many Democratic voters, especially in New Jersey, where Democrats outnumber Republicans by about 1 million registered voters. But it reflects his sprawling district, which covers all or part of eight counties in southern New Jersey and includes Atlantic City and some Philadelphia suburbs.

Van Drew’s 2nd District supported Trump by 4 percentage points in 2016, a far closer margin than the 30-point shellacking that Democrat Hillary Clinton received in Peterson’s 7th District in Minnesota.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Jeff-Van-Drew-Democrat-Impeachment-Lonely-564153491.html

Speaking as a Blue Dog Democrat, I can appreciate where Rep Van Drew is coming from, even though I disagree with him.

One must remember Tip ONeills sagacious quote:

“All politics is local”
 
https://www.foxnews.com/media/van-drew-reveals-reason-for-voting-against-impeachment

Snippets from the article:

"We have to understand, impeachment is something that's supposed to be exceptionally unusual. It is supposed to be bipartisan. It is supposed to be fair," Van Drew said

This has nothing to do with whether you like Donald Trump, or don't like him, or want to see him have a second term or win in an election. This has to do with the institution of impeachment itself and not misusing it," he argued.

"You know, De Tocqueville in 1853 wrote that if a nation was more and more often using...impeachment as a way of actually removing its leaders, it would show the deterioration of the nation," Van Drew said.

"It is so rarely used, should be rarely used. And as I've mentioned to you before, it is something that during the hundreds of years of American history has never been successfully used," he added.

Comparing the impeachment of a president to "more like something you would see in Europe or third-world nations," Van Drew encouraged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to shift her focus to "real issues" for the remaining 14 working days in Congress before year's end


And the whopper to finish it off.....

"At the end of the day we’ll have the same president and same candidate and a failed impeachment process, and the only difference would be that the president will have been exonerated of charges," Van Drew said.


Ouch. A blistering attack by a a Dem admitting the Dem process is a failure, a scam, and lacks due process. Admitting that impeachment should be used only in extreme, rare circumstances. Admitting that if it's not bipartisan it is doomed to fail. Admitting that it makes America look like a 3rd world, left wing banana republic. Admitting the process has never been successfully executed in 250 years of America's history. And admitting above all that it will not remove President Trump from office but only lead to his exoneration.

Any Dems dare to refute what he admitted?
Trump could clear this up by testifying under oath about his Ukraine dilemma...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...aa64229ac26b4078&regi_id=92310271tion=topNews

"that I testify about the phony Impeachment Witch Hunt. She also said I could do it in writing. Even though I did nothing wrong, and don’t like giving credibility to this No Due Process Hoax, I like the idea & will, in order to get Congress focused again, strongly consider it!

Should he do so?
 
Trump could clear this up by testifying under oath about his Ukraine dilemma...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...aa64229ac26b4078&regi_id=92310271tion=topNews

"that I testify about the phony Impeachment Witch Hunt. She also said I could do it in writing. Even though I did nothing wrong, and don’t like giving credibility to this No Due Process Hoax, I like the idea & will, in order to get Congress focused again, strongly consider it!

Should he do so?

I weren't if I were him. I've seen a few friends get punished severely for trying to cooperate with people that hate them. In Trump's case, why cooperate with people out to destroy you?
 
That's probably your own conscience speaking to you. I don't see that coming from anywhere else.

Not at all. I think there is ample reason for an investigation. I do not want it to proceed to the Senate. I like for everyone to see just what a POS Trump is. He's demonstrating on a daily basis, why he shouldn't be president.
 
I weren't if I were him. I've seen a few friends get punished severely for trying to cooperate with people that hate them. In Trump's case, why cooperate with people out to destroy you?

Nah, way better to call them names....

Did Obama tell government employees not to testify? Did he tell people to ignore subpoenas? Did Obama ever call elected republicans names?

Do you think it divisive or uniting to engage in that kind of childish name calling?
 
I weren't if I were him. I've seen a few friends get punished severely for trying to cooperate with people that hate them. In Trump's case, why cooperate with people out to destroy you?
What's your take on Trump's integrity?
Are you aware he was caught perpetrating an "empty box" sales tax scam that allowed him avoid paying thousands of dollars of tax on a pair of high-end pieces of jewelry?


https://www.c-span.org/video/transcript/?id=53553
  • "Well, Bulgari is a high-end Italian jewelry company with stores all over the world including across the street from Trump Tower and Donald Trump engaged in something known as the empty box scam.
  • He bought a $50,000 piece of jewelry and then $15,000 piece and he had them shipped out of state. That -- if they were shipped out if state to a non-resident of New York, there would be no sales tax due. There might be a use tax due in that state but that's not enforced (much).
  • And Donald was not eligible for this because he live in New York, he live right across the street. When law enforcement got into this and the New York Attorney General Robert Abrams began investigating, Donald got in to this. He had a casino license and his involvement in any crime would vitiate his license.
  • So Donald went to law enforcement to help them and he wasn't the other one involved. Mary Tyler Moore and Henry Kissinger were involved in this. It's a scam that's going on for decades and continues to go on. There's a case right now about this."
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4641954/user-clip-trump-empty-box-scam
 
What's your take on Trump's integrity?
Are you aware he was caught perpetrating an "empty box" sales tax scam that allowed him avoid paying thousands of dollars of tax on a pair of high-end pieces of jewelry?


https://www.c-span.org/video/transcript/?id=53553
  • "Well, Bulgari is a high-end Italian jewelry company with stores all over the world including across the street from Trump Tower and Donald Trump engaged in something known as the empty box scam.
  • He bought a $50,000 piece of jewelry and then $15,000 piece and he had them shipped out of state. That -- if they were shipped out if state to a non-resident of New York, there would be no sales tax due. There might be a use tax due in that state but that's not enforced (much).
  • And Donald was not eligible for this because he live in New York, he live right across the street. When law enforcement got into this and the New York Attorney General Robert Abrams began investigating, Donald got in to this. He had a casino license and his involvement in any crime would vitiate his license.
  • So Donald went to law enforcement to help them and he wasn't the other one involved. Mary Tyler Moore and Henry Kissinger were involved in this. It's a scam that's going on for decades and continues to go on. There's a case right now about this."
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4641954/user-clip-trump-empty-box-scam

I wonder how Trump would fare if an investigation into his life like Ken Starr did to the Clintons, were to happen. Let's spend $60 million on having a team of investigators crawling into every aspect of Donald's life.
 
one democrat is against, so you an Fox quote him, as if that should end the hearings.
Remember, not going forward with this sham is the what had bipartisan support in the House. What did he say that was incorrect?
 
Remember, not going forward with this sham is the what had bipartisan support in the House. What did he say that was incorrect?

His opinion disagrees with mine.

Two dems does not quite rise to "bi-partisan".
 
His opinion disagrees with mine.

Two dems does not quite rise to "bi-partisan".
Anyone saying impeachment shouldn't be bipartisan is mentally ill.

Anyone saying it shouldn't be extraordinarily rare is mentally ill.

Anyone who thinks the sham process Dems have put forward is fair is mentally ill.

Anyone who thinks this has any hope of working is mentally ill.
 
Trump could clear this up by testifying under oath about his Ukraine dilemma...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...aa64229ac26b4078&regi_id=92310271tion=topNews

"that I testify about the phony Impeachment Witch Hunt. She also said I could do it in writing. Even though I did nothing wrong, and don’t like giving credibility to this No Due Process Hoax, I like the idea & will, in order to get Congress focused again, strongly consider it!

Should he do so?


When is the last time a sitting President sat down in front of Congress? There is your answer.

And, remember, Obama wouldn't even take written questions from the House on Benghazi. His WH called it a "stunt".

Now suddenly out of the rotted out recesses of the left wing mind a sitting POTUS should sit before Congress?

The hypocrisy here is astounding.
 
Anyone saying impeachment shouldn't be bipartisan is mentally ill.

Anyone saying it shouldn't be extraordinarily rare is mentally ill.

Anyone who thinks the sham process Dems have put forward is fair is mentally ill.

Anyone who thinks this has any hope of working is mentally ill.

So you are qualified to diagnose mental illness? You clearly are not qualified to quote other posters.
 
When is the last time a sitting President sat down in front of Congress? There is your answer.

And, remember, Obama wouldn't even take written questions from the House on Benghazi. His WH called it a "stunt".

Now suddenly out of the rotted out recesses of the left wing mind a sitting POTUS should sit before Congress?

The hypocrisy here is astounding.

Two years after Benghazi we had Gowdy submit questions to the White House...just in time for the democratic convention leading up to the 2016 election. Here are some of Gowdy's questions:
Gowdy on June 7 sent more than a dozen questions seeking more detail on various questions about Benghazi. He wanted to know, for example,
1. if Obama ever authorized covert actions to provide weapons to Libyan rebels;
2. if the president had ever personally viewed the surveillance footage of the attack;
3. when Obama learned of the identities of terrorists involved that day; and
4. whether he was aware of “any efforts by White House and Department of Defense official during [the attack] to reach out to YouTube and Terry Jones regarding an anti-Muslim video?”

Really? Was there a point to those questions?
1. Not related to the attack on the consulate.
2. Why is that useful?
3. Why is that in any way related to why the attack happened or how we'd prevent them in the future?
4. What does that actually have to do with preventing the attack or finding the perpetrators?
 
So you are qualified to diagnose mental illness? You clearly are not qualified to quote other posters.
Yes, I'm qualified. Those positions are mentally ill.

And you said you did not agree with Van Drew's "opinions". I cited his main ones. Suddenly back tracking from not agreeing when they are put on display like that ? Seems as if you know it's mentally ill. *chuckles*
 
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