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Democrats Obstructing All Trump Cabinet Appointees

Mr. Friscus

Mr. Friscus

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Senate Democrats are in full obstruction mode, brashly resisting every single Trump appointee.

At the same time, the media is reporting how shocking it is that Trump's cabinet isn't set yet, as if it's his shortcoming?

I don't support absolute blind obstructionism when Republicans or Democrats do it. However, the Democrats from the top down demonized it while Obama had power, and are now employing it fruitfully and smittenly.

It's amazing to watch people so ethically absent.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Senate Democrats are in full obstruction mode, brashly resisting every single Trump appointee.

At the same time, the media is reporting how shocking it is that Trump's cabinet isn't set yet, as if it's his shortcoming?

I don't support absolute blind obstructionism when Republicans or Democrats do it. However, the Democrats from the top down demonized it while Obama had power, and are now employing it fruitfully and smittenly.

It's amazing to watch people so ethically absent.
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Welcome to politics. Is this your first foray?
 
BobbyT said:
Welcome to politics. Is this your first foray?
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I just notice when people complain about obstructionism in Congress for years and years when person A is in office, and then gladly exploit it when person B is in office.

I prefer judging the behavior and being consistent. To flip 180 degrees removes all credibility, as it clearly points to a personal, emotional, biased stance rather than one based on any demands of behavior of one's opponent.

Remember, we're talking about blind, absolute obstructionism. The Tea Party and much of Congress didn't vow to obstruct Obama from day 1 as the Democrats have loudly and overwhelmingly done with Trump.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
I just notice when people complain about obstructionism in Congress for years and years when person A is in office, and then gladly exploit it when person B is in office.

I prefer judging the behavior and being consistent. To flip 180 degrees removes all credibility, as it clearly points to a personal, emotional, biased stance rather than one based on any demands of behavior of one's opponent.

Remember, we're talking about blind, absolute obstructionism. The Tea Party and much of Congress didn't vow to obstruct Obama from day 1 as the Democrats have loudly and overwhelmingly done with Trump.
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Of course the Republicans vowed to obstruct Obama from day one.

It's politics. The minority party has little power. They use what they can. One side uses it, the other complains. Then that side uses it and the other side complains. Again, it's politics.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Senate Democrats are in full obstruction mode, brashly resisting every single Trump appointee.

At the same time, the media is reporting how shocking it is that Trump's cabinet isn't set yet, as if it's his shortcoming?

I don't support absolute blind obstructionism when Republicans or Democrats do it. However, the Democrats from the top down demonized it while Obama had power, and are now employing it fruitfully and smittenly.

It's amazing to watch people so ethically absent.
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Bullshit. How many of Trump's appointees have already gone through the Senate?
Sessions, DeVoss, Mattis, Mulvaney, Price, Kelly, Tillerson, Haley, Chao, Mnuchin, Shulkin, Pompeo, McMahon.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_of_Donald_Trump
 
BobbyT said:
Of course the Republicans vowed to obstruct Obama from day one.
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Did they? I don't recall any Republicans vowing to obstruct any Obama supreme court nominee as Democrats have. I don't recall GOP or Democrats having every cabinet appointee opposed. Every.. single.. one.

BobbyT said:
It's politics. The minority party has little power. They use what they can. One side uses it, the other complains. Then that side uses it and the other side complains. Again, it's politics.
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I think you just accentuated exactly why Donald Trump won the presidency.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Did they? I don't recall any Republicans vowing to obstruct any Obama supreme court nominee as Democrats have. I don't recall GOP or Democrats having every cabinet appointee opposed. Every.. single.. one.



I think you just accentuated exactly why Donald Trump won the presidency.
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The Supreme Court nominee obstruction is because the Republicans stole the nominee from Obama. Donald has a number of cabinet appointees confirmed including the one who "resigned" shortly afterwards.

Donald won the presidency because enough states had voters who thought that "telling it like it is," i.e, being a low brow bully, was "funny."
 
middleview said:
Bullshit. How many of Trump's appointees have already gone through the Senate?
Sessions, DeVoss, Mattis, Mulvaney, Price, Kelly, Tillerson, Haley, Chao, Mnuchin, Shulkin, Pompeo, McMahon.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_of_Donald_Trump
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Obama had 11 of his 15 cabinet secretaries in place after the first week.

Trump had 2.

Meanwhile, still yet to get through the Democrat obstuctionism:

Interior: Ryan Zinke
Agriculture: Sonny Perdue
Commerce: Wilbur Ross
Labor: Alexander Acosta
Housing: Ben Carson
Energy: Rick Perry
DNI: Dan Coats
U.S. Trade Rep: Robert Lightzer

I mean, can we drop the bullsh*t? The Democrats are obstructing here. It's fine, that's their ploy. There's no need to deny it. Can we just have people own the behavior? You called it like it was when the GOP did it once Obama started passing radical legislation.. why can't you call it now?
 
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BobbyT said:
The Supreme Court nominee obstruction is because the Republicans stole the nominee from Obama.
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"Stole"?

That suggests something illegal.

Can you cite where the Republicans broke the law?

Or, do you care to revise your statement?

BobbyT said:
Donald has a number of cabinet appointees confirmed including the one who "resigned" shortly afterwards.
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A number? I only recall one.

However, there are still a bunch sitting around waiting to go through. They will go through, the Democrats are just playing to their anti-Trump "Resist" base. And that's fine, I have no problem with that, just own what you do, and admit your claims of being against obstructionism during the Obama years weren't genuine.
BobbyT said:
Donald won the presidency because enough states had voters who thought that "telling it like it is," i.e, being a low brow bully, was "funny."
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Wow, if you think nobody had any serious reasons for voting Donald Trump, you're just as delusional as the media was proven to be.

There were serious reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton. I don't need to try write off Clinton voters via ridicule to fail in an attempt to make a point, as you appear to require.

No, a major reason Trump won is because people are sick of what you said.. the apathetic "it's politics, it sucks and there's nothing we can do about it" forfeiting.

Well, some people did something about it. We'll see how it works out, but it's at least something different than the depressing, white-flag reality you seem to be in. Not everyone is cynical about the future.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Oba
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Mr. Friscus said:
"Stole"?

That suggests something illegal.

Can you cite where the Republicans broke the law?

Or, do you care to revise your statement?


A number? I only recall one.

However, there are still a bunch sitting around waiting to go through. They will go through, the Democrats are just playing to their anti-Trump "Resist" base. And that's fine, I have no problem with that, just own what you do, and admit your claims of being against obstructionism during the Obama years weren't genuine.


Wow, if you think nobody had any serious reasons for voting Donald Trump, you're just as delusional as the media was proven to be.

There were serious reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton. I don't need to try write off Clinton voters via ridicule to fail in an attempt to make a point, as you appear to require.

No, a major reason Trump won is because people are sick of what you said.. the apathetic "it's politics, it sucks and there's nothing we can do about it" forfeiting.

Well, some people did something about it. We'll see how it works out, but it's at least something different than the depressing, white-flag reality you seem to be in. Not everyone is cynical about the future.
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No, I'll stand by stole, thanks.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Obama had 11 of his 15 cabinet secretaries in place after the first week.

Trump had 2.

Meanwhile, still yet to get through the Democrat obstuctionism:

Interior: Ryan Zinke
Agriculture: Sonny Perdue
Commerce: Wilbur Ross
Labor: Alexander Acosta
Housing: Ben Carson
Energy: Rick Perry
DNI: Dan Coats
U.S. Trade Rep: Robert Lightzer

I mean, can we drop the bullsh*t? The Democrats are obstructing here. It's fine, that's their ploy. There's no need to deny it. Can we just have people own the behavior? You called it like it was when the GOP did it once Obama started passing radical legislation.. why can't you call it now?
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Ben Carson says he's unqualified for a cabinet post. Rick Perry wants to eliminate the Department of Energy, although he says he doesn't know what it does. Dan Coats was on a short list of alleged Klansmen in public office that was released to the media long before the election.

I can't really think of "Radical legislation" passed by pro-Obama Democrats over Republican opposition, certainly nothing that Brooks comparison here.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Senate Democrats are in full obstruction mode, brashly resisting every single Trump appointee.

At the same time, the media is reporting how shocking it is that Trump's cabinet isn't set yet, as if it's his shortcoming?

I don't support absolute blind obstructionism when Republicans or Democrats do it. However, the Democrats from the top down demonized it while Obama had power, and are now employing it fruitfully and smittenly.

It's amazing to watch people so ethically absent.
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whats amazing is that mcconnel and ryan having invoke "cloture" on the democrats side show regarding nominees. are they powerless, or in cahoots?
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Senate Democrats are in full obstruction mode, brashly resisting every single Trump appointee.

At the same time, the media is reporting how shocking it is that Trump's cabinet isn't set yet, as if it's his shortcoming?

I don't support absolute blind obstructionism when Republicans or Democrats do it. However, the Democrats from the top down demonized it while Obama had power, and are now employing it fruitfully and smittenly.

It's amazing to watch people so ethically absent.
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McConnell and Ryan will tolerate it for a little while...then they will just use the steam roller option. It's coming....that's exactly what the Dems want them to do so they can have a campaign complaint in the mid terms...."See what happens when the GOP has the Majority? They just force things through without discussion "....

JO
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Senate Democrats are in full obstruction mode, brashly resisting every single Trump appointee.

At the same time, the media is reporting how shocking it is that Trump's cabinet isn't set yet, as if it's his shortcoming?

I don't support absolute blind obstructionism when Republicans or Democrats do it. However, the Democrats from the top down demonized it while Obama had power, and are now employing it fruitfully and smittenly.

It's amazing to watch people so ethically absent.
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Trump's administration is a genuine threat the American way of life, and genuinely needs to be obstructed.
 
justoffal said:
McConnell and Ryan will tolerate it for a little while...then they will just use the steam roller option. It's coming....that's exactly what the Dems want them to do so they can have a campaign complaint in the mid terms...."See what happens when the GOP has the Majority? They just force things through without discussion "....

JO
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It's amazing how the names change but the dance remains the same.

At least the GOP had a legitimate gripe with Obamacare, as he forced the vote through before nearly all people who voted on it even read it, which they even admitted. Meanwhile, it was rewritten through Executive Order, which is illegal.

But, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats will try to paint the GOP using the exact methods the Democrats use when they are in power as bad.
 
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