More likely 16 hours a day watching conspiracy videos on the internet.One of those "the end is near" types
Democrats Win Enough Seats Nationwide to End Electoral College
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Halo
Mayor
Cross the lines and see what you get. Rule of law not man. Originalism means nothing to the lawless.
Colorforms
Senator
How many genders are there again? Non-Binary refers to sex. Boy/Girl. A binary.
A "species" of nonbinary?
OMG.
Colorforms
Senator
BS, just straight out BS. There is nothing about this country that you have ever had a positive word for. To say that you love it is the biggest lie you have told yet.
Colorforms
Senator
I have to go through the list AGAIN?
Jeez, have your frontal lobe examined.
You support racial discrimination, silencing of opposing views, social murder, repeal of due process, religious persecution, nationalization of certain industries, enormous, centralized government. There is nothing in what you have posted that a NAZI wouldn't high-five you on.
Halo
Mayor
Yes, because you can write a better and longer lived document to sustain a constitutional, elected representative republic. Your gifted semitic brain ideology is better than that of white land owning slavers who were classically educated and arguably as a group better educated than any other congress in human history. YOU, YOU are the one to fix it because... you know... rich, white slavers are just the worst. ha ha
You can only supplant the oldest lived republic bar none with communist ideology of the most failing kind.
If you're going to pick a Jew pick Christ.
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WTF are you talking about? Cross what lines? Did you read the link I provided on the number of changes over time to the Electoral College? Why do you think it went from the most votes decided the president and the next higher number decided the VP? Why do you think not all states do winner take all?
We have 5 elections in our history which were decided by the Electoral College, but not the popular vote. GW Bush and DJ Trump are two of those...
National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia
On State Elections
Remember, the sun doesn't shine on the same dogs ass all the time
Dems just won, what if they piss off the voters before next election
WTF are you talking about? Cross what lines? Did you read the link I provided on the number of changes over time to the Electoral College? Why do you think it went from the most votes decided the president and the next higher number decided the VP? Why do you think not all states do winner take all?
We have 5 elections in our history which were decided by the Electoral College, but not the popular vote. GW Bush and DJ Trump are two of those...
National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
yet, when Donnie won both the EC and Popular vote in 24 you leftist cried a river
Voters seem to change votes every two years
In 2020, when Joe won the popular vote by 7 million..who cried a river? Who brought 60 lawsuits attempting to toss out millions of votes and completely failed. MAGA whiners continue to claim the election was stolen.
Any claims by the Dems of fraud in 2024?
EatTheRich
President
I support none of those besides “nationalization of certain industries” which is in fact antithetical to the typical fascist program of privatizing industry, and strong (but NOT “enormous”) centralized government, for the purpose of defending the masses against the rapacity of would-be exploiters (the opposite of the fascist program of strengthening government as a weapon against the masses).
EatTheRich
President
There are male and female (the “binary”) and then all the non-binary gendered and agender individuals.
EatTheRich
President
San Marino is the oldest republic. The U.S. Constitution was saved the first time by the radical revision of civil war and Reconstruction, and is clearly failing again hence all the people who voted for Trump running on a platform of radical hostility to the constitutional order.
EatTheRich
President
Then we can hope we have a better party to take their place.
Halo
Mayor
Every time a constitution is rewritten a republic is reborn. The oldest such under the same constitution is the U.S. last I heard.
EatTheRich
President
San Marino has had the same since 1600. The U.S. essentially got a new constitution with the passage of the Reconstruction amendments by 1870.
Halo
Mayor
No, it didn't.
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And it was an elected representative republic for the whole time?
No, it was not an elected representative democracy for its entire history. You are absolutely correct to challenge that assumption.
While its republican institutions survived, the actual method of governance shifted dramatically over the centuries—moving from direct participation to a highly restrictive oligarchy, and even seeing a fascist dictatorship in the 20th century. [1]
The history of San Marino's governance breaks down into distinct eras:
1. The Early Era: Direct Democracy (301 AD – 1200s)
Originally, San Marino was governed by the Arengo, an assembly consisting of the heads of every family. This was a form of direct democracy with no single leader. However, as the population grew, this town-hall-style meeting became dysfunctional and plagued by feuds between prominent families. [1, 2, 3]
2. The Shift to Representative Oligarchy (1600 – 1906)
To fix the chaos of the Arengo, power was gradually shifted to a newly created representative body: the Council of 60 (the Grand and General Council). [1, 2]
The pivotal transition to a non-elected government came with the Statutes of 1600: [1, 2]
- Co-option instead of elections: The Statutes of 1600 established that when a council member died or stepped down, the remaining members would hand-pick their replacement (co-option). [1]
- Rule by elite families: This eliminated popular elections entirely. For three centuries, San Marino operated as an hereditary oligarchy where a small group of patrician and wealthy landowning families completely controlled the State. [1, 2, 3]
3. The Re-Democratic Revolution (1906)
By the early 1900s, popular anger against the ruling elite peaked. On March 25, 1906, the citizens forced the first meeting of the ancestral Arengo (the assembly of householders) in over three centuries. [1, 2, 3]
- In a massive referendum, 90.6% of voters rejected the oligarchic system of life-long co-option.
- This historic event restored democratic elections to San Marino, establishing the modern parliamentary system used today. [1, 2]
4. The Fascist Interlude (1923 – 1943)
San Marino's democratic continuity was broken again during the 20th century. Following the rise of Benito Mussolini in surrounding Italy, the Sammarinese Fascist Party (PFS) took total control of the country. They dissolved the democratic council, suspended free elections, and ruled San Marino as a single-party fascist dictatorship for twenty years until they were ousted in 1943. [1]
Summary
When historians call San Marino the "oldest continuous republic," they mean its statehood and institutional titles survived without foreign conquest or transformation into a monarchy. The internal system itself has regularly adapted—transitioning from an open commune, to a closed elite oligarchy, briefly to a fascist state, and finally into the modern democratic representative republic it is today.
Halo
Mayor
@EatTheRich
So the U.S. is the oldest continuous constitutional representative republic on Earth?
Yes, under a strict historical definition, the United States is generally recognized as the oldest continuous codified constitutional representative republic on Earth. [1, 2]
When you add the words "continuous," "constitutional," and "representative," the U.S. successfully narrows out its competition based on how those terms are legally defined:
1. The "Codified Constitutional" Rule
While San Marino is older, its constitution is uncodified (made up of separate books and later amendments). The U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1788 and taking effect in 1789, is the oldest single-document written constitution still actively governing a sovereign nation today. [1, 2, 3]
2. The "Continuous Representative" Rule
Unlike San Marino—which hit a pause on representative democracy during its 300-year oligarchic period and its 20-year fascist regime—the United States has held uninterrupted national elections under its constitutional framework for over 235 years, even through the American Civil War, two World Wars, and economic collapses. [1, 2]
So the U.S. is the oldest continuous constitutional representative republic on Earth?
Yes, under a strict historical definition, the United States is generally recognized as the oldest continuous codified constitutional representative republic on Earth. [1, 2]
When you add the words "continuous," "constitutional," and "representative," the U.S. successfully narrows out its competition based on how those terms are legally defined:
1. The "Codified Constitutional" Rule
While San Marino is older, its constitution is uncodified (made up of separate books and later amendments). The U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1788 and taking effect in 1789, is the oldest single-document written constitution still actively governing a sovereign nation today. [1, 2, 3]
2. The "Continuous Representative" Rule
Unlike San Marino—which hit a pause on representative democracy during its 300-year oligarchic period and its 20-year fascist regime—the United States has held uninterrupted national elections under its constitutional framework for over 235 years, even through the American Civil War, two World Wars, and economic collapses. [1, 2]
