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Democrats’ worst nightmare apparently comes true in California . . .

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Republican cherry orchard mogul Ron Vidak (of polish descent) defeats Hispanic democratic candidate for state senate. With a preponderance of Latino votes going republican. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/29/hispanic-win-california-can-be-republican-again/

Bo and gecko – I know you guys make obscure elections your specialty, but I couldn’t resist treading on your hallowed ground after reading the headline.

This election was apparently won on bread and butter issues like jobs, “affordable energy”, and Mr. Vidak’s personal recipe for menudo (the cow stomach soup which is a Mexican delicacy – not the defunct boy band). He served it at a campaign event which allegedly drew 10,000 Hispanic voters.

The democratic candidate, attorney, and politician for life Leticia Perez apparently mistook an appearance on The Daily Show (cable TV, national urban audience) as a better campaign opportunity than connecting with local voters on actual issues. And promises that “every child will learn to speak English” did not resonate with actual Hispanic citizens, who already speak the language.

When you think about it, this election result DOES make sense. People didn’t flee Mexico to America for higher taxes and byzantine regulations designed to make it too expensive to own a car or top off your gas tank.

Let’s see if Republicans learn anything from this election. They’re slow learners, and it might take a while though.

And it will be interesting to see if Democrats rethink their assumption that every “amnestied” illegal Hispanic will yank the left handed lever in the voting booth. If the majority party concludes that immigration reform isn’t automatically going to enfranchise 10 million new democratic voters THEY might be the ones pulling their support back from “Immigration Reform”.

Full disclosure – have left wing news satires now become the kiss of death for democratic candidates? First Stephen Colbert’s cranky sister got the brush off. Now Miss Leticia – who looks like some obscure cast member from Sesame Street - has been shown the exit. Can someone arrange for Anthony Weiner to appear on Letterman soon?

The photo above is of “Menudo Soup”. Notice the hearty piece of stomach floating right in the center. Appetizing, no? Rumor has it that democrats served Tofu and Arugula at their campaign gathering, and lectured Hispanic voters that meat is bad for them.
 
1. You're free to bring up obscure elections, ASOT. Just remember, you can NEVER criticize anybody else doing it EVER again...after this. :)

2. Did Vidak run on "Kick 'em all out, even the kids who came here as babies in the 90s" platform on immigration???
 
Fresno is a red county. I hate to say it but nothing new here. Latino candidates are almost always not seen by their Latino heritage but by where they stand on issues. The rural areas of central California has been red forever.

That is the part many do not understand regarding the states. There are many Red more rural, ranching or farming conservative areas. Keep in mind republicans in California are often more liberal than rural state liberals -depends on the county.
 
Minotaur said:
Fresno is a red county. I hate to say it but nothing new here. Latino candidates are almost always not seen by their Latino heritage but by where they stand on issues. The rural areas of central California has been red forever.
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yeah you should have read the actual link, minotaur. this is a "heavily democratic" district. most people aren't millionaires - they're farm workers.

assumptions like yours make it possible for democrats to lose elections
 
And again, ASOT...did Vidak run on the "hard line" position on immigrants that the Base of the national Republican Party supports....

or more liberal?
 
GordonGecko said:
1. You're free to bring up obscure elections, ASOT. Just remember, you can NEVER criticize anybody else doing it EVER again...after this. :)

2. Did Vidak run on "Kick 'em all out, even the kids who came here as babies in the 90s" platform on immigration???
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gecko - one of the great things about PJ is anyone can criticize anything, for any reason. there are no rules.

the article doesn't state vidak's position on immigration reform. i'm guessing he's "for" it. candidates are actually "for" it, if they think it will results in hispanic votes for themselves. thats the ENTIRE point of my post, if you read it all the way through. Democrats may begin to understand that mexican immigrants came her for jobs and to put money in their wallets - not for confusing and poorly run government programs, and high energy prices and cost of living. If democrats begin to suspect that hispanic votes aren't automatically theirs, support for immigration reform on the left is in serious jeopardy
 
as seen on tv said:
yeah you should have read the actual link, minotaur. this is a "heavily democratic" district. most people aren't millionaires - they're farm workers.

assumptions like yours make it possible for democrats to lose elections
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I read the link. The writer is wrong. Fresno and all of the central valley vote many Red with some few Blue candidates. Has been that way for as long as I can remember. I think what the writer misunderstood is that there are more democrats than republicans. Fresno votes republican consistently and is quite conservative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_County,_California
 
as seen on tv said:
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Republican cherry orchard mogul Ron Vidak (of polish descent) defeats Hispanic democratic candidate for state senate. With a preponderance of Latino votes going republican. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/29/hispanic-win-california-can-be-republican-again/

Bo and gecko – I know you guys make obscure elections your specialty, but I couldn’t resist treading on your hallowed ground after reading the headline.

This election was apparently won on bread and butter issues like jobs, “affordable energy”, and Mr. Vidak’s personal recipe for menudo (the cow stomach soup which is a Mexican delicacy – not the defunct boy band). He served it at a campaign event which allegedly drew 10,000 Hispanic voters.

The democratic candidate, attorney, and politician for life Leticia Perez apparently mistook an appearance on The Daily Show (cable TV, national urban audience) as a better campaign opportunity than connecting with local voters on actual issues. And promises that “every child will learn to speak English” did not resonate with actual Hispanic citizens, who already speak the language.

When you think about it, this election result DOES make sense. People didn’t flee Mexico to America for higher taxes and byzantine regulations designed to make it too expensive to own a car or top off your gas tank.

Let’s see if Republicans learn anything from this election. They’re slow learners, and it might take a while though.

And it will be interesting to see if Democrats rethink their assumption that every “amnestied” illegal Hispanic will yank the left handed lever in the voting booth. If the majority party concludes that immigration reform isn’t automatically going to enfranchise 10 million new democratic voters THEY might be the ones pulling their support back from “Immigration Reform”.

Full disclosure – have left wing news satires now become the kiss of death for democratic candidates? First Stephen Colbert’s cranky sister got the brush off. Now Miss Leticia – who looks like some obscure cast member from Sesame Street - has been shown the exit. Can someone arrange for Anthony Weiner to appear on Letterman soon?

The photo above is of “Menudo Soup”. Notice the hearty piece of stomach floating right in the center. Appetizing, no? Rumor has it that democrats served Tofu and Arugula at their campaign gathering, and lectured Hispanic voters that meat is bad for them.
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There's obscure, and there's obscure. I Googled "Ron Vidak" and found five results, one of them being your post. Presumably you mean Andy.

What I'd be curious to know is their relative spending. If Vidak won by way of spending millions of dollars on a campaign (far in excess of state race norms), that doesn't worry me too much, because the GOP doesn't have the cash to buy a meaningful number of races at that kind of price. All it can do is pick a handful of showpiece races to fund at that level, to try to get the dittoheads excited about the symbolism of the purchased victories. If, on the other hand, Vidak spent less than a million bucks and won, that is more worrisome.
 
as seen on tv said:
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Republican cherry orchard mogul Ron Vidak (of polish descent) defeats Hispanic democratic candidate for state senate. With a preponderance of Latino votes going republican. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/29/hispanic-win-california-can-be-republican-again/

Bo and gecko – I know you guys make obscure elections your specialty, but I couldn’t resist treading on your hallowed ground after reading the headline.

This election was apparently won on bread and butter issues like jobs, “affordable energy”, and Mr. Vidak’s personal recipe for menudo (the cow stomach soup which is a Mexican delicacy – not the defunct boy band). He served it at a campaign event which allegedly drew 10,000 Hispanic voters.

The democratic candidate, attorney, and politician for life Leticia Perez apparently mistook an appearance on The Daily Show (cable TV, national urban audience) as a better campaign opportunity than connecting with local voters on actual issues. And promises that “every child will learn to speak English” did not resonate with actual Hispanic citizens, who already speak the language.

When you think about it, this election result DOES make sense. People didn’t flee Mexico to America for higher taxes and byzantine regulations designed to make it too expensive to own a car or top off your gas tank.

Let’s see if Republicans learn anything from this election. They’re slow learners, and it might take a while though.

And it will be interesting to see if Democrats rethink their assumption that every “amnestied” illegal Hispanic will yank the left handed lever in the voting booth. If the majority party concludes that immigration reform isn’t automatically going to enfranchise 10 million new democratic voters THEY might be the ones pulling their support back from “Immigration Reform”.

Full disclosure – have left wing news satires now become the kiss of death for democratic candidates? First Stephen Colbert’s cranky sister got the brush off. Now Miss Leticia – who looks like some obscure cast member from Sesame Street - has been shown the exit. Can someone arrange for Anthony Weiner to appear on Letterman soon?

The photo above is of “Menudo Soup”. Notice the hearty piece of stomach floating right in the center. Appetizing, no? Rumor has it that democrats served Tofu and Arugula at their campaign gathering, and lectured Hispanic voters that meat is bad for them.
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I did a quick search and apparently Vidak spent well over a million dollars, much of which came in from outside the state. His opponent likewise had a huge bankroll, much of it from outsiders. So it's not a particularly good bell-weather one way or the other. Neither side has the money to influence the vast majority of state-level races that way, so most are likely to come down to issues, rather than high-priced smear campaigning.
 
as seen on tv said:
gecko - one of the great things about PJ is anyone can criticize anything, for any reason. there are no rules.
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Not according to you. Just the other week you criticized one of my posts as a "Cut & Paste" while here you are doing the SAME thing.

as seen on tv said:
the article doesn't state vidak's position on immigration reform. i'm guessing he's "for" it. candidates are actually "for" it, if they think it will results in hispanic votes for themselves. thats the ENTIRE point of my post, if you read it all the way through. Democrats may begin to understand that mexican immigrants came her for jobs and to put money in their wallets - not for confusing and poorly run government programs, and high energy prices and cost of living. If democrats begin to suspect that hispanic votes aren't automatically theirs, support for immigration reform on the left is in serious jeopardy
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First you say Videk likely supports immigration reform....then you say support for immigration reform would drop among Democrats if they saw how well Videk did.

But then, wouldn't the OPPOSITE effect be just as true.....that if the national Republican Party were seen as opponents of immigration reform, that that would produce an INCREASE in Hispanic voters for Democrats????

Now....are there ANY indications that the Base of the GOP might not exactly be thrilled with immigration reform??????? Any? :)
 
Arkady said:
I did a quick search and apparently Vidak spent well over a million dollars, much of which came in from outside the state. His opponent likewise had a huge bankroll, much of it from outsiders. So it's not a particularly good bell-weather one way or the other. Neither side has the money to influence the vast majority of state-level races that way, so most are likely to come down to issues, rather than high-priced smear campaigning.
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It could be a bell-weather.....if Videk isn't a "Kick 'em all out, Berlin Wall on the Rio Grande" Nativist.

A sign to the National GOP that if they allow the Nativists in the Base to kill immigration reform....guys like Videk will be rarer than hen's teeth.
 
Minotaur said:
I read the link. The writer is wrong. Fresno and all of the central valley vote many Red with some few Blue candidates. Has been that way for as long as I can remember. I think what the writer misunderstood is that there are more democrats than republicans. Fresno votes republican consistently and is quite conservative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_County,_California
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Minotaur said:
I read the link. The writer is wrong. Fresno and all of the central valley vote many Red with some few Blue candidates. Has been that way for as long as I can remember. I think what the writer misunderstood is that there are more democrats than republicans. Fresno votes republican consistently and is quite conservative:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_County,_California
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minotaur - your own link - wikipedia also says you're wrong. the district was heavily democratic in 2008 and 2012. you didn't read your own link, lol? too funny. i like to win, but not this easily.
 
Arkady said:
I did a quick search and apparently Vidak spent well over a million dollars, much of which came in from outside the state. His opponent likewise had a huge bankroll, much of it from outsiders. So it's not a particularly good bell-weather one way or the other. Neither side has the money to influence the vast majority of state-level races that way, so most are likely to come down to issues, rather than high-priced smear campaigning.
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not sure than spending "a million dollars" is a huge amount in a county with a million residents.
 
as seen on tv said:
View attachment 7046
Republican cherry orchard mogul Ron Vidak (of polish descent) defeats Hispanic democratic candidate for state senate. With a preponderance of Latino votes going republican. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/29/hispanic-win-california-can-be-republican-again/

Bo and gecko – I know you guys make obscure elections your specialty, but I couldn’t resist treading on your hallowed ground after reading the headline.

This election was apparently won on bread and butter issues like jobs, “affordable energy”, and Mr. Vidak’s personal recipe for menudo (the cow stomach soup which is a Mexican delicacy – not the defunct boy band). He served it at a campaign event which allegedly drew 10,000 Hispanic voters.

The democratic candidate, attorney, and politician for life Leticia Perez apparently mistook an appearance on The Daily Show (cable TV, national urban audience) as a better campaign opportunity than connecting with local voters on actual issues. And promises that “every child will learn to speak English” did not resonate with actual Hispanic citizens, who already speak the language.

When you think about it, this election result DOES make sense. People didn’t flee Mexico to America for higher taxes and byzantine regulations designed to make it too expensive to own a car or top off your gas tank.

Let’s see if Republicans learn anything from this election. They’re slow learners, and it might take a while though.

And it will be interesting to see if Democrats rethink their assumption that every “amnestied” illegal Hispanic will yank the left handed lever in the voting booth. If the majority party concludes that immigration reform isn’t automatically going to enfranchise 10 million new democratic voters THEY might be the ones pulling their support back from “Immigration Reform”.

Full disclosure – have left wing news satires now become the kiss of death for democratic candidates? First Stephen Colbert’s cranky sister got the brush off. Now Miss Leticia – who looks like some obscure cast member from Sesame Street - has been shown the exit. Can someone arrange for Anthony Weiner to appear on Letterman soon?

The photo above is of “Menudo Soup”. Notice the hearty piece of stomach floating right in the center. Appetizing, no? Rumor has it that democrats served Tofu and Arugula at their campaign gathering, and lectured Hispanic voters that meat is bad for them.
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He won Kings County (near where I live) with nearly 80% of the vote. Kind of amazing.
 
Arkady said:
There's obscure, and there's obscure. I Googled "Ron Vidak" and found five results, one of them being your post. Presumably you mean Andy.

What I'd be curious to know is their relative spending. If Vidak won by way of spending millions of dollars on a campaign (far in excess of state race norms), that doesn't worry me too much, because the GOP doesn't have the cash to buy a meaningful number of races at that kind of price. All it can do is pick a handful of showpiece races to fund at that level, to try to get the dittoheads excited about the symbolism of the purchased victories. If, on the other hand, Vidak spent less than a million bucks and won, that is more worrisome.
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Vidal had a GREAT ground game. I must have had 8 people come to my door asking for my vote. And I even had a guy show up after Election Day thanking me for turning out.
 
Folks what is missing in all these comments is how hispanics feel about issues outside of immigration reform you know things like taxes, government intrusion in private and business, abortion etc.

Once legal and literate in English they are not necessarily going to vote in lockstep with Democrats
 
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