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Demonizing Vladimir Putin

PhilFish said:
That would be swell in my opinion....
hey, as an aside....is Russia threatening (and looting for that matter) the Ukrainian bases in Sevastopol..? those roses ok with you?
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well america sure didnt accept it in cuba or grenada. hypocrite!
 
crowfoot said:
well america sure didnt accept it in cuba or grenada. hypocrite!
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So Ukraine is in the hands of an unbridled dictator, pointing American supplied nukes at Russia and threatening to use them? Pretty sure we removed them by agreement 20 years ago. Talk of putting them back is now coming only from Ukraine just since the occupation.

Even the UK, who granted Grenada independence in 1974, criticized Reagan for invading. I won't defend him for breathing air good people could have been breathing. But they did end up having an elected government instead of one installed by a coup....or an occupying army.
 
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zzigzzag said:
So Ukraine is in the hands of a unbridled dictator, pointing American supplied nukes at Russia and threatening to use them? Pretty sure we removed them by agreement 20 years ago. Talk of putting them back is now coming from Ukraine just since the occupation.

Even the UK, who granted Grenada independence in 1974, criticized Reagan for invading. I won't defend him for breathing air good people could have been breathing. But they did end up having an elected government instead of one installed by a coup....or an occupying army.
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its all none of your goddam business. and america circled russia with nukes! hypocrites
 
Lookin better n better...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html

MOSCOW — Russia’s Defense Ministry announced new military operations in several regions near the Ukrainian border on Thursday, even as Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany warned the Kremlin to abandon the politics of the 19th and 20th centuries or face diplomatic and economic retaliation from a united Europe.
In Moscow, the military acknowledged significant operations involving armored and airborne troops in the Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov regions abutting eastern Ukraine, where many ethnic Russians have protested against the new interim government in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, and appealed to Moscow for protection.
A day after a deputy minister denied any military buildup on the border, the Defense Ministry released a series of statements beginning early Thursday that appeared to contradict that. They outlined what was described as intensive training of units involving artillery batteries, assault helicopters and at least 10,000 soldiers.....
 
crowfoot said:
its all none of your goddam business. and america circled russia with nukes! hypocrites
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Not really. We circled the USSR. Did we have to forcibly occupy any of the countries who wanted us to do so? Or were they enthusiastically grateful to have secure and finite borders after WW2? How about you Canucks? Did you resent NORAD flying armed bombers over your territory every day for 60 years? Seems like that would have been in the news somewhere.
 
zzigzzag said:
Not really. We circled the USSR. Did we have to occupy any of the countries who wanted us to do so? Or were they enthusiastically grateful to have secure and finite borders after WW2? How about you Canucks? Did you resent NORAD flying armed bombers over your territory every day for 60 years? Seems like that would have been in the news somewhere.
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the soviets did not occupy cuba, grenada, guatemala, chile, nicaraugua .
 
PhilFish said:
Lookin better n better...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html

MOSCOW — Russia’s Defense Ministry announced new military operations in several regions near the Ukrainian border on Thursday, even as Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany warned the Kremlin to abandon the politics of the 19th and 20th centuries or face diplomatic and economic retaliation from a united Europe.
In Moscow, the military acknowledged significant operations involving armored and airborne troops in the Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov regions abutting eastern Ukraine, where many ethnic Russians have protested against the new interim government in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, and appealed to Moscow for protection.
A day after a deputy minister denied any military buildup on the border, the Defense Ministry released a series of statements beginning early Thursday that appeared to contradict that. They outlined what was described as intensive training of units involving artillery batteries, assault helicopters and at least 10,000 soldiers.....
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Nevermind that reality, focus on "Pooty makes good vodka."
 
PhilFish said:
Lookin better n better...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html

MOSCOW — Russia’s Defense Ministry announced new military operations in several regions near the Ukrainian border on Thursday, even as Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany warned the Kremlin to abandon the politics of the 19th and 20th centuries or face diplomatic and economic retaliation from a united Europe.
In Moscow, the military acknowledged significant operations involving armored and airborne troops in the Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov regions abutting eastern Ukraine, where many ethnic Russians have protested against the new interim government in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev, and appealed to Moscow for protection.
A day after a deputy minister denied any military buildup on the border, the Defense Ministry released a series of statements beginning early Thursday that appeared to contradict that. They outlined what was described as intensive training of units involving artillery batteries, assault helicopters and at least 10,000 soldiers.....
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Obviously, no one but Russia and Ukraine can do anything about it. The question is whether Pooty will succumb to the incidental damage that's being done to his own country. The ruble is going down, businesses are pulling the plug on locating there, trade partners are grumbling, his neighbors are bitching at him....it's like sanctions without him having anyone but himself to blame for them.

I'll reiterate what I've said before. All Obama has to do is try not to say too much too soon to deny Pooty a demon to point to.
 
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