Dialing It Back......

[Zam-Zam]

Just in case you actually fell for the rhetoric.....



Obama, standing before hundreds of thousands of people on the National Mall, had vowed to "respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations."

But in the White House briefing room a day later, Obama spokesman Jay Carney said he couldn't speculate about future actions. He said that while climate change was a priority for the president, "it is not a singular priority."

On gay rights, the president had declared that the nation's journey is "not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law, for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well."

But Carney said the president was speaking about his personal views and would not take federal action on same-sex marriage, which he continues to see as a state issue.




Complete text: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-22-17-39-22

 

[Dino]

It's all a show as usual. While I don't doubt Obama would like to take up the fight on both of these lib sell-out ideas, his party will remind him that other Democrats will be running again. The mid-terms and the next presidential cycle are far too important for him to dedicate himself to slim radical minority issues while we are still battling terrorism, unemployment, and an inexplicable economic sluggishness.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Really?

You mean to tell me that President Obama hasn't issued a dozen or so executive orders this morning designed to bypass Congress and force his will onto the American people?

Hmmm... Guess all the hyperbole from the wing-nuts concerning Obama is just that, huh?

 

[Zam-Zam]

Really?

You mean to tell me that President Obama hasn't issued a dozen or so executive orders this morning designed to bypass Congress and force his will onto the American people?

Hmmm... Guess all the hyperbole from the wing-nuts concerning Obama is just that, huh?

What I'm telling you (actually, what the White House is telling you), is that after "the grand speech" full of promises and nice-sounding words, twenty-four hours later Jim Carney is sent out to tell anyone who actually thought the President meant it not to get their hopes up. They made that pretty clear. If you don't like that message, take it up with the administration.

 

[NightSwimmer]

What I'm telling you (actually, what the White House is telling you), is that after "the grand speech" full of promises and nice-sounding words, twenty-four hours later Jim Carney is sent out to tell anyone who actually thought the President meant it not to get their hopes up. They made that pretty clear. If you don't like that message, take it up with the administration.

Who said that I have a problem with the White House message? I understand how politics works. What is your problem with the message?

 

[GordonGecko]

Really?

You mean to tell me that President Obama hasn't issued a dozen or so executive orders this morning designed to bypass Congress and force his will onto the American people?

Hmmm... Guess all the hyperbole from the wing-nuts concerning Obama is just that, huh?

Interesting, isn't it?

The Right criticizes him if he does something....and criticizes him if he doesn't do anything fast enough. It's ALMOST...like they just like criticizing him regardless.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Interesting, isn't it?

The Right criticizes him if he does something....and criticizes him if he doesn't do anything fast enough. It's ALMOST...like they just like criticizing him regardless.

Do you perceive it as criticism? Actually, it is a simple statement of fact. Obama said what he said, and his spokesperson Carney said what he said. You seem to have a problem with that being pointed out.

 

[Mytzlplk]

inadequacies on the climate change front will inevitably do the most damage to his legacy imo.

He should have been using that "bully pulpit" to raise awareness and to lay the groundwork for more action on that front imo, since he took office.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Do you perceive it as criticism? Actually, it is a simple statement of fact. Obama said what he said, and his spokesperson Carney said what he said. You seem to have a problem with that being pointed out.

Sensible people understand that inaugural speeches consist of rhetorical flourishes. Anyone who follows politics also understands that nothing gets done in DC without prioritizing and strategically planning how to move an issue forward through the Congress.

Only Messiah worshipers would expect a President to act immediately upon every issue that has been discussed in an inauguration speech, and the Obama Messiah worshipers (for the most part) only exist as empty chairs serving as props on the stage of a right-wing rhetorical speaker.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Sensible people understand that inaugural speeches consist of rhetorical flourishes. Anyone who follows politics also understands that nothing gets done in DC without prioritizing and strategically planning how to move an issue forward through the Congress.

Only Messiah worshipers would expect a President to act immediately upon every issue that has been discussed in an inauguration speech, and the Obama Messiah worshipers (for the most part) only exist as empty chairs serving as props on the stage of a right-wing rhetorical speaker.

I don't think anyone expected him to take action 24 hours later. I also don't think a lot of folks expected his spokesperson to recant the next day.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Recant?

That's some creative listening you're doing there.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Just in case you actually fell for the rhetoric.....



Obama, standing before hundreds of thousands of people on the National Mall, had vowed to "respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations."

But in the White House briefing room a day later, Obama spokesman Jay Carney said he couldn't speculate about future actions. He said that while climate change was a priority for the president, "it is not a singular priority."

On gay rights, the president had declared that the nation's journey is "not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law, for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well."

But Carney said the president was speaking about his personal views and would not take federal action on same-sex marriage, which he continues to see as a state issue.




Complete text: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-22-17-39-22

Proving once again that Pugs will whine if Obama does something, and also whine if he does not do something.

 

[fairsheet]

The top post goes to Obama's comments around gay rights. The most significant FEDERAL involvement in this issue, is DOMA. The Obama Administration has declined arguing in favor of DOMA in the several cases currently being brought against it.

So....the Obama Administration isn't taking "action" to further this cause. They're taking "INaction" to further this cause!

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Pres Obama has been doing a lot on climate change. he just didn't call it that in his first term.....so rightwingers wouldn't freak out.

EPA on pollutants, raising the MPG on autos/trucks, investing in alternative energy, Pentagon developing and using green energy, etc.

 

[GordonGecko]

Do you perceive it as criticism? Actually, it is a simple statement of fact. Obama said what he said, and his spokesperson Carney said what he said. You seem to have a problem with that being pointed out.

Zam, how long has it been between the Inaugural speech...and today?

Don't worry....the President will do something on guns and gay rights, and you guys will of course criticize it and get the best of both worlds....attackinig him for not doing it and attacking him for doing it.

 

[as seen on tv]

yeah this is actually called "walking back" the rhetorical license taken.

i honestly do believe some sort of legislation will make it to the floor of the house and senate to recognize gay marriages on a national basis.

however, i'm hugely skeptical that some sort of higher energy taxes or wholesale retirement of coal fired electric plants is going to happen over the next four years.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Gay marriage is not really a federal issue, except for the fact that DOMA attempted to make it so. DOMA has been losing in the courts and will probably continue to lose. DADT is already resolved.

As for the climate change issue, there have been various initiatives and there will almost certainly be more to come. Climate change is an umbrella term that covers a wide spectrum of research and regulatory issues.

 

[BitterPill]

Really?

You mean to tell me that President Obama hasn't issued a dozen or so executive orders this morning designed to bypass Congress and force his will onto the American people?

Hmmm... Guess all the hyperbole from the wing-nuts concerning Obama is just that, huh?

Most certainly.

 

[fairsheet]

yeah this is actually called "walking back" the rhetorical license taken.

i honestly do believe some sort of legislation will make it to the floor of the house and senate to recognize gay marriages on a national basis.

however, i'm hugely skeptical that some sort of higher energy taxes or wholesale retirement of coal fired electric plants is going to happen over the next four years.

As to coal, I don't see Obama or anyone else making any overt effort AGAINST coal specifically. I think it's going to be more about promoting universal regimes that "coincidently" put coal at a disadvantage.

As just one for instance, if we were to levy a carbon tax at the same rate on ALL means of producing energy, coal would be at a disadvantage relative to most other means.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Proving once again that Pugs will whine if Obama does something, and also whine if he does not do something.

Stating facts does not constitute whining. If you can point out a single item in the top post that is not factually correct, I'll happily take a look at it.